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January 05, 2010, 02:45:21 AM
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twisty

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This group has gone a bit quiet so I thought you might like some light reading  ;D

How I rip, convert and store DVD’s for the WDTV.  Some basics first (and for some probably a bit too basic).
 
Know what you want.  If you don’t then read http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=3314.0 .

Folder structures and file names. An example of my NAS folder setup from root.  Each folder and movie has its’ own .jpg image.  Notice I have all the movies in one folder.  Not a folder for each movie (although this would be okay as well).  Subfolders can be added (for genre, trilogy etc) as you desire.  You could use a combination!  It’s up to you.  However, if you intend using a “Homebrew” “On Screen Display” (OSD) then it may best to choose one or the other structure (see Images, Covers and Movie Sheets below).

Y: \
 +--- Shared_Videos
|      +---Home_Movies
|      |
|      +---Movies
|      |      +---Action
|      |      |     300.iso
|      |      |     +---Blade Trilogy
|      |      |     |    Blade1.mkv
|      |      |     |    Blade2.mkv
|      |      |     \    Blade3.mkv
|      |      |
|      |      +---Adventure
|      |
|      +---TV_Series
|      |      +---Breaking Bad
|      \      +---StarTrek (see below)
|
+--- Shared_Music
|      +---Rock
|      +---Pop
|
+--- Shared_Pictures
|      +---Family
\      +---Nature

 “Y:” is my Network Attached Storage (NAS) and it should be, for you, the HDD (C: to Z:) that your WDTV is attached to (network or standalone).  The movies have movie sheets and this requires “Homebrew” soft and firmware (tons in these forums).  If you decide to go “Homebrew”, and I do, it’s important to keep up with the forums until you have a solution you’re happy with.  The series folders work with official and homebrew firmware.  You may also notice an “iPod” folder.  My wife likes to occasionally watch a video when travelling so I keep a selection of her favourites ready to upload.

This is the sub-folder structure I use.  Star Trek provides a good example of movies, series and episodes. The full path is Y:\Shared_Videos\TV_Series\StarTrek\, then “Movies”, “Next Generation” and “Voyager” as sub-folders. 

Y: \Shared_Videos\TV_Series\StarTrek\
+---Movies
|   |    folder.jpg
|   |    StarTrek 01 The Motion Picture.avi
|   |    StarTrek 01 The Motion Picture.avi_sheet.jpg
|   |    StarTrek 01 The Motion Picture.jpg
|   |    StarTrek 02 The Wrath of Khan.avi
|   |    StarTrek 02 The Wrath of Khan.avi_sheet.jpg
|   |    StarTrek 02 The Wrath of Khan.jpg
|    \--- etc ...
|       
+---The Next Generation
|   |   folder.jpg
|   +---Season01
|   |       folder.jpg
|   |       StarTrek TNG s01e01-02 Encounter at Farpoimt.mkv
|   |       StarTrek TNG s01e03 The Naked Now.mkv
|   |       etc ...
|   |       
|   +---Season02
|   |       folder.jpg
|   +---etc ...
|       
\---Voyager
    |   folder.jpg
    +---Season01
    |   |   folder.jpg
    |   |   StarTrek Voyager s01e01 Caretaker.mkv
    |   |   StarTrek Voyager s01e02 Parallax.mkv
    |   |   etc ...
    |   |   
    |   \---ipod
    |           StarTrek Voyager s01e04 Phage.m4v
    |           StarTrek voyager s01e05 The Cloud.m4v
    |           etc ...
    |   
    +---Season02
    +---Season03
    +---Season04
    +---Season05
    +---Season06
    \---Season07

Oh .... Okay.  Here ya go!  Blow by blow to rip a DVD TV series or Movie.  Computer is quad core, 4gb RAM and Vista.  Rip lock removed from computer DVD drive (Google it if you want).  You can halve ripping time from 20-25 minutes for a DVD9 to 10-12 minutes.

Ripping with DVD Decrypter http://www.dvddecrypter.org.uk/
1.   Rip DVD with DVD Decrypter in “File” mode to a “VIDEO_TS” folder created on your hdd.  Eg. d: \dvdrip\tvseries\startrek\voyager\season01\disc01\VIDEO_TS.  This folder will contain all the .vob, .bup and .ifo files from the DVD.
2.   Click the image “Decrypt”.  Wait.  The DVD will eject when done.  Repeat from step 1 until bored.

Using DVD Shrink http://www.thedvdshrink.com/ to rip a DVD TV series or movie to .iso.  Converts Beowulf movie (1hr49m, 5,856Mb) in 7.33 minutes from hdd (C:) and 15.37 from DVD ROM.  (It writes the .iso file so quickly from hdd to the NAS it causes video stutter and pause for those watching tv (reproducible, rarely an issue, explained below).

1.   “Open Disc” (DVD ROM) or “Open Files” (VIDEO_TS folder on hdd).  Wait for the scan to complete.
2.   Select “Re-author” and double click the episode or movie title number you want.
3.   Select “Compression Settings” tab. Select compression (100% 4 me), audio (5.1) and subtitle to suit.
4.   Select “Backup”, Browse to “select target image file” folder and rename file to episode or movie_name.iso.
5.   Click “OK”.  Wait for the file to be written.  No queue available.
6.   Back to step 2 (make sure to delete the just converted title from the DVD structure pane).
7.   When you have ripped all the episodes or movie off the disc go back to step 1 for the next disc after changing the DVD disc.

With the episode or movie files already on the hdd (in VIDEO_TS folder after using DVD Decrypter) this process may take 3-5 minutes per TV episode.  Ripping from the DVD drive takes 10-15 minutes regardless of what you intend (.iso or VIDEO_TS folder). 

Now to explain the video stutter and pause.  Imagine, my dear wife arrives home with more DVD’s for her collection.  “I want to watch this one first” she says.  I ask if she could wait 15 minutes, she accepts and puts on a short video (eg. tv sitcom).  I rip to hdd and then to .iso.  Shortly after the .iso rip starts from the lounge room I hear “honey, it’s broken”.  “Press the Back button” I yell and distract her with idle talk loosely connected with the problem while the .iso finishes.  “Press Enter” I yell when the .iso completes.  “Select OK with the right arrow, press Enter, and your movie’s ready ... love you too”.  Add movie or episode VIDEO_TS folder Handbrake queue.

Compressing with Handbrake 0.9.4 http://handbrake.fr/

1.   “Source” is your VIDEO_TS folder above.      Handbrake will scan the folder and return a list of “Titles”.
2.   The “Title” drop down menu shows the episodes.  Be aware that not all “Titles” are in the correct order. When converting a movie you may find more than one large “Title”.  To confirm the “Title” number simply play the DVD with your prefered player on your computer and note the “Title” number displayed on the player for each episode.  I use VLC http://www.videolan.org for this.
3.   Select the destination and name the episode.  Eg. y:\shared_videos\tvseries\startrek\voyager\season01\StarTrek Voyager s01e01 Pilot
4.   Select preset “High Profile”.
5.   Change container to .mkv and make sure the extension is added to destination name eg. y:\.... \season01\StarTrek Voyager s01e01 Pilot.mkv   
6.   Select audio (ac3 passthru) and subtitles as desired (all English 4 me) on the tabs below Container.  No other settings require changing, but you can if you want.
7.   You can now preview a sample of the encoded video if you wish.  When you’re happy ...
8.   Click “Add to queue”. 
9.   In the queue window select “Start” 
10.   Return to the main Handbrake window, select the next title and repeat the process.
11.   When all the Titles you want are queued, select the next VIDEO_TS folder.  Repeat from step2 until all episodes are in the queue.

Read the Handbrake user guide and forum.  Next I create my fan art and, if required, a folder.jpg.

Images, Covers and Movie Sheets.

Official firmware allows addition of cover and folder art (Fan Art).  “Homebrew” OSD software will allow display of movie sheets (amongst other shiny mods). The folder structure shown above should provide enough detail on structure and naming (check your OSD instructions).  You can also include (attach) cover artwork in your chosen container (.mkv or .mp4/.m4v).  This is where some get a bit confused (and angry) with the WDTV advertising.  WDTV will read metadata (WDTV user manual page 52) from the container and IF it contains an image it will display THAT image as a thumbnail.  YOU still have to create the image and attach it!

I get all my cover art from my database “Movie Collector” (commercial) http://www.collectorz.com/ .  I use this db only for the converted collection on my NAS and I use the artwork from the db when creating movie and folder thumbnails. I use Snagit (Commercial) http://www.techsmith.com/ to capture the album (cover) art.  Before I save the image (directly to Y: and renamed correctly) I resize it to 120x180 pixels (not percent).  This is important if you also plan on using movie sheets, apart from being good practice.

I use software found on this forum for creating (WDTV Movie Sheet Generator v1.5 http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=1349.0) and showing (MSheet 2.0.1 http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=1645.0) movie sheets.  Follow the guides and discussion threads.  Here is where you may run into a problem with your folder structure.  Every sheet generator requires separate folders for each movie you wish movie sheets for.  I don’t use this structure so I’ve created a mirror of my folder structure on the D: drive and added sub-folders for each movie.  The movie sheets are created in the mirror folders (with no movie file) then I copied and renamed as shown in the folder structure above.  Yeah, it takes a bit of time but it doesn’t take up much space.  Once I was happy with the process I created some 100 movie sheets in just over 2 hours.  It took me a week to figure out.

Remember, all this takes time.  How much time you spend depends on the results you want. 

Finally, thanks to all the Homebrew firm/software creators who do all this work without a contract.  Be kind to them  ;) Enjoy.
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Noob WDTV Video Conversion Basics Tutorial http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=3314.0

January 23, 2010, 02:03:31 AM
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Twisty, thanks heaps for your info. Its great. I am new to all this encoding stuff and am hooked !
In last month, i had been using DVDFAB to create vobs and then using AutoGK to create the avi without subs. Its been working well. However i wanted soft-subtitles, hence my interest in Handbrake. Today i created a mkv for 'Matrix Reloaded' (only 1.3GB) . The final result on my 2002 Loewe CRT TV is excellent. The only thing was it took 5hrs! I used settings as recommended by you except i selected Normal Profile (Anamorphic = strict, CQ = 60.78%, RF:20, english subs, creation of chapter marks). Using High Profile would of taken 8+ hrs.

I am using an old beast from 2004, only 2.8GHz, Pentimum 4 with only 512M of RAM. Am i wasting my time trying to encode with this hardware? However using AutoGK to create the avi was alot quicker (think it was only 3 hrs) for Matrix 3. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

January 23, 2010, 08:35:53 PM
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G'day kelad

Twisty, thanks heaps for your info.

You're welcome.

I am new to all this encoding stuff and am hooked !

 :'( Sorry to hear.

The only thing was it took 5hrs! I used settings as recommended by you except i selected Normal Profile (Anamorphic = strict, CQ = 60.78%, RF:20, english subs, creation of chapter marks). Using High Profile would of taken 8+ hrs.

I am using an old beast from 2004, only 2.8GHz, Pentimum 4 with only 512M of RAM. Am i wasting my time trying to encode with this hardware? However using AutoGK to create the avi was alot quicker (think it was only 3 hrs) for Matrix 3. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Yup.  Here's where I'd have to make a choice and put my hand in my pocket.  Buy either a new computer (faster encode and smaller file) or more storage (save as .iso via DVDshrink or .mkv via Makemkv).  Let me know what you decide.  ;D



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Noob WDTV Video Conversion Basics Tutorial http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=3314.0

January 26, 2010, 12:21:54 PM
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Twisty, thanks heaps for your info. Its great. I am new to all this encoding stuff and am hooked !
In last month, i had been using DVDFAB to create vobs and then using AutoGK to create the avi without subs. Its been working well. However i wanted soft-subtitles, hence my interest in Handbrake. Today i created a mkv for 'Matrix Reloaded' (only 1.3GB) . The final result on my 2002 Loewe CRT TV is excellent. The only thing was it took 5hrs! I used settings as recommended by you except i selected Normal Profile (Anamorphic = strict, CQ = 60.78%, RF:20, english subs, creation of chapter marks). Using High Profile would of taken 8+ hrs.

I am using an old beast from 2004, only 2.8GHz, Pentimum 4 with only 512M of RAM. Am i wasting my time trying to encode with this hardware? However using AutoGK to create the avi was alot quicker (think it was only 3 hrs) for Matrix 3. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

I'm in the same boat as you.  My computer takes 4-5 hours using High Profile.  The nice thing with Handbrake is that you can queue up many of them in batch mode.  I queue up 2-3 movies and let it run overnight.  I do the same in the morning and let it run while I'm at work.  I was thinking of just buying a new processor and plopping it on my motherboard to see if that helped.

January 27, 2010, 01:32:30 AM
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I was thinking of just buying a new processor and plopping it on my motherboard to see if that helped.

Wouldn't hurt!  And cheaper than a new box.
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Noob WDTV Video Conversion Basics Tutorial http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=3314.0

January 29, 2010, 01:34:39 AM
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Been meaning to give you a thumbs up Twisty. :)

Great informative thread!  Thanks for taking the time to write it all out and share it! 

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January 29, 2010, 11:39:02 PM
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@ jayallan - thanks and you're welcome.
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January 31, 2010, 01:41:02 AM
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I use for converting RipBot264, http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=127611¨ ;)

Litle slow but perfect quality

January 31, 2010, 12:04:25 PM
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G'day mihof33 and thanks for the reply,

I've never used RipBot264 because it only (and still appears to) hardburn subtitles.  Depends what you want  ;)  See http://www.videohelp.com/tools/RipBot264 and http://www.digital-digest.com/articles/RipBot264_PS3_Xbox_360_Guide_page1.html for more info.
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Noob WDTV Video Conversion Basics Tutorial http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=3314.0

January 31, 2010, 08:31:51 PM
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Wow, I dont now this, but I make a copy of the DVD without audio languiges i dont want and without subtitles.  8)