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Title: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: jayallan on May 12, 2009, 11:43:57 AM
Home Cinema Choice has an article up here about a new player in the works. 

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/blogs/team+hcc/western+digital+confirms+wdtv+version+2+adds+ethernet+sneakernet+hit+08+05+09

"the new model would probably not feature a hard drive, but could add Ethernet and DNLA compliancy. "

Jay
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: dextertech on May 13, 2009, 02:34:50 AM
that is really good news!

thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: bobosquishy on May 16, 2009, 12:49:31 PM
This is bad news for people like me who just bought a WDTV and don't want to have to fork out the cash for the next shiny new model.  All I really want is for them to fix the issues with the current model instead of focusing on creating a new iteration.  If western digital screws the current WDTV users over, it will be the last time I ever buy any of their products.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: Nisei on May 17, 2009, 03:57:27 AM
If western digital screws the current WDTV users over, it will be the last time I ever buy any of their products.
Don't be so naive.
To all developers and manufacturers of electronics: please stop all research and making improvements to your line of products. People will feel screwed if you release a new product.
Duh...  ::)
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: gsf600y on May 17, 2009, 04:26:17 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much :)
Any product you ever buy, you can almost certainly be sure that the manufacturer is already working on the next version/incarnation of the product.

Buy a PS3, Sony are already working on the PS4.
Buy an Intel processor - they're already working on the next one.
But a Ford Mondeo - they're already test driving the next model.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: 3dxr on May 17, 2009, 04:59:48 AM
usual electronic lifecycle was 12 months last few years is less then 6months or less
WDTV is cheaper then PCH and you saved o lot of many when you have WDTV and you can decide in september when
should be also released PCH2 with announced better IOperfomance and CPU
(this is information is based on Syabas Interview on MPC)

BTW WDTV is nice device silent small and you can then use it like downloader from internet :) and buy next generation of media players
Waitting on new version isnt good choice I am watting 5years on good LCD technology :p probably this or next year
will be OLED out :) PLAZMA is fine but powerkiller and LCd isnt nice  52" LCD I dont like LCD TV quality now

When will be WDTV with native ethenrnet support and net-radio support out I dont need more for example
I had at home Emgeton guru2 Tvix DVICO  ICY-BOX Dreambox and many others china players
WDTV winning with playback quality start time stability (PCH is frozing sometimes but they are releasing often updates)
and ALL MNT have higher power consumption

but what I cannot  forgive to WDTV is missing network and radio listenning in 2008/2009 becouse is powerfull have this feature.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: jbs1077 on May 17, 2009, 05:34:32 AM
It's fine by me if they want to release the next generation WDTV as long they dont neglect the existing customers who made it possible for them to build the WDTV2 in the first place.  :)

A lot of folks put out a great deal of effort to help report bugs and assisting with ideas for better features. That certainly help WDC to cut a lot of cost on R&D with the generous amount of feedback from its user base. I certainly dont have any use for the rumored added feature on WDTV2 since we can already get them with a hacked FW.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: Rev Drew on May 17, 2009, 05:43:08 AM
I am looking forward to the next version, I will put this current one in the bedroom or in the childrens game / music room..

no hesitation to buy another one here!
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: Avijeet on May 17, 2009, 07:08:57 AM
Same here
I am delighted by WDTV....
Will buy WDTV2 and put this one somewhere else...

 
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: comp56 on May 17, 2009, 10:06:39 AM
bring it on...................
BTW does anyone know where I can find cheap 8 track tapes cause I don't want to buy a new player just yet! ::)
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: bobosquishy on May 17, 2009, 12:15:41 PM
Oh great, fanboys. ::)  Guys, chill.  You don't all have to attack the one guy who doesn't share your love.  WDTV is a nice product but it's also broken on the software end.  Go look at the bug and feature request forums.  If I knew it would have so many problems I never would have bought it, and already WD is talking about another hardware version.  You don't have to agree with me.  I don't demand it.  But at least try and see it from my perspective.  So if all of your WDTV boxes broke in 6 months just in time for the new model, it sounds like at least half of you would shrug it off and happily go buy the new one.  Well, I am not made of money.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: Rev Drew on May 17, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
Oh great, fanboys. ::)  Guys, chill.  You don't all have to attack the one guy who doesn't share your love.  WDTV is a nice product but it's also broken on the software end.  Go look at the bug and feature request forums.  If I knew it would have so many problems I never would have bought it, and already WD is talking about another hardware version.  You don't have to agree with me.  I don't demand it.  But at least try and see it from my perspective.  So if all of your WDTV boxes broke in 6 months just in time for the new model, it sounds like at least half of you would shrug it off and happily go buy the new one.  Well, I am not made of money.

so, having a positive outlook and attitude is the new definition of 'fanboy' is it??

so many problems?? dunno wtf that is about. yes it has some quirks, but no real problems..
I am also not made of money but I do recognize a good deal when I see one, the wdtv is one compared to what else is out there.
shrug it off after 6 months, hell no, I'd go after the warranty  ;D

you're perspective - please explain it to us dumb fanboys..
also list the problems you are having, if it's because you didn't do your homework on it before buying it, that is no fault of WD or us, that's you and you alone.

I am having a few problems but it is due to hacked firmware, I can work around it and live with it's eccentricities easily enough.

me; fanboy, no. happy WDTV owner, yes!
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: bobosquishy on May 17, 2009, 04:38:47 PM
I can already see this is pointless.  You win.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: ruddevil on May 17, 2009, 11:23:19 PM
We'd probably see some firmware releases for our current WDTV before WDTV2 would actually see the light. Hopefully the last of our current WDTV firmware would have the feature set as WDTV2 (even if we have to purchase additional USB ethernet or wi-fi adapter to utilize them).
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: larry sellers on May 18, 2009, 04:31:25 AM
If you are worried about support for the 1st generation WDTV, petition Western Digital to release their full firmware w/ all the audio/video modules so that the developers of the unofficial firmware can take over.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: bobosquishy on May 18, 2009, 11:06:00 AM
Yeah, petitions always work.  Especially internet petitions.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: larry sellers on May 18, 2009, 11:12:50 AM
Yeah, petitions always work.  Especially internet petitions.

Being a sarcastic asshole is always productive. I used petition as a verb and not a noun. 
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: bobosquishy on May 18, 2009, 02:39:01 PM
Oh, sorry... my mistake.  I had you all wrong.  Your suggestion should work even better than an actual petition.  Just as long as I say "pretty please", I'm absolutely positive it will work.   :D
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: larry sellers on May 18, 2009, 04:48:38 PM
I am a giant fag, please don't pay any attention to me. I am truly sorry.

I accept your apology. No hard feelings.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: bobosquishy on May 18, 2009, 04:52:56 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: Monkeyface66 on May 19, 2009, 12:27:10 PM
Scott Rader:

Quote
Planning covert ops. Objective: infiltrate WD labs to obtain pics of possible new product.
http://twitter.com/srader
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: Mr Lazy on May 20, 2009, 01:31:39 AM
And here's a pic...

http://twitpic.com/5if6z

Wow...it looks exactly the same, except there's an Ethernet cable coming out the back  ;)
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: GreekMan on May 21, 2009, 09:44:25 AM
They should FIRST solve the many problems the FWs have (especially the 1.02.xx ones) and after this they could announce a version 2 that adds almost nothing to the previous model. WD support (I'm sorry to say this) is really bad! They release FW (not only beta, look the "official"-beta 1.02.07) that are worse than previous, making owners really mad!
This advertising on www.homecinemachoice.com can only gice rage to dissapointed owners of WDTV. But WD support  already gave no respect to them! I was a fan, supporter and power buyer of WD the last 15 years but this story (the 1.02.xx ...beeeepp..) has take me away from them.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: Mastrocalo on May 25, 2009, 03:19:48 PM
 ;D Will be great to have one  ;D
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: RaggedDog on June 04, 2009, 09:25:11 AM
I agree with the general view.. WD have released a nice product @ a Nice price.. it ticks 90-95% of my boxes.
Of course they should fix every bug, but name a bug-free product? (Knife Fork perhaps?)
It came at exactly the right time for me, basically a great performing Video jukebox,
and on the back of this I went out and got a  WD 1tb Caviar green, which I am also very pleased with.
WD support on firmware side is v good, try phillips.
Will be interested in WD-2 as long as it includes some sort of Search function from the remote as
14,300 Shedloads of SD recordings is becoming hard to manage.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: bobosquishy on June 07, 2009, 11:31:50 AM
14,300 Shedloads of SD recordings is becoming hard to manage.

Try folders.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: nfshp253 on June 08, 2009, 12:46:21 AM
I agree with the general view.. WD have released a nice product @ a Nice price.. it ticks 90-95% of my boxes.
Of course they should fix every bug, but name a bug-free product? (Knife Fork perhaps?)
It came at exactly the right time for me, basically a great performing Video jukebox,
and on the back of this I went out and got a  WD 1tb Caviar green, which I am also very pleased with.
WD support on firmware side is v good, try phillips.
Will be interested in WD-2 as long as it includes some sort of Search function from the remote as
14,300 Shedloads of SD recordings is becoming hard to manage.

Why the hell do they announce a WD TV 2 when they haven't fix the problems of the first. I've just bought this thing yesterday!
@RaggedDog: Isn't there a "SEARCH" button on the remote? It's at the bottom of the remote.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: elmarweber on June 08, 2009, 01:34:17 AM
Why the hell do they announce a WD TV 2 when they haven't fix the problems of the first. I've just bought this thing yesterday!

Maintaining products only brings money for companies like SAP =)

ciao,
elm
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: wolverine on June 09, 2009, 07:51:23 AM
Just bought one a couple of days ago and new one is due in 6 months  :-\

Oh well can't stop innovation, I was hoping it take a little longer :-[

That's ok as long as they don't stop supporting V1.  I don't mind buying a new one next year if they add more features.  Kinda like buying a new PC every 2-3 years. 

Right now I am about 90% happy with feature and function.  Lets see if the remaining 10% is worth buying a new one.  (Ethernet soo soo, wi-fi too slow, full ISO support maybe, larger thumbnail--worth it..)

will see, I am still tooling around this one to worry about V2 right now.  Have fun everyone..heck for $100 bucks its a nice little toy.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: Sakkie on June 10, 2009, 02:45:53 AM
The WDTV 2 is already out ....... Wireless ..... powerless ..... cable less.  ;D

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/files/hcc_content/wdtvwide.jpg
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: GreekMan on June 11, 2009, 07:46:43 AM
The WDTV 2 is already out ....... Wireless ..... powerless ..... cable less.  ;D

(http://www.homecinemachoice.com/files/hcc_content/wdtvwide.jpg)
http://www.homecinemachoice.com/files/hcc_content/wdtvwide.jpg (http://www.homecinemachoice.com/files/hcc_content/wdtvwide.jpg)


LOL!!! It is true! Mine (WDTV version one) is just like this in the photo. It is un-connected, just to "decorate" a shelf. No cables, no power cable and PSU no HDMI no USB, nothing! They are all (plus LAN cable) connected on my  eGreat! WDTV is still waiting a (new) FW that could play in sync Greek Subs to take a place on my second TV (bedroom), but WD support sucks!
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: taylorw on June 11, 2009, 09:09:40 AM
I'll only be mad if the new model has a DTS decoder because I just spent $300 on a new receiver and cables in order to enable DTS playback! I wouldn't be mad at WD of course but I would kick myself in the ass.
I'm not gonna buy version 2 right away but I have nothing against a company being innovative and improving their products!
Very pleased with the current version... where else can you get a product like this for $99?
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: Bluesman on June 11, 2009, 12:31:42 PM
I prefer to put things into real context.

Look at the number of firmware updates that have been produced. To me that's a good sign of a company wanting to improve it's product to give as many features and as much flexibility as possible.

Yes we all want the ultimate product that does everything and also does it perfectly every time but it's rare that we find such products. Often, we are given products that in the first release tell us that this is just what we want but just like the washing powder adverts that tell us that the latest version washes whiter than white or the razor that has 2, 3 and then 5 blades to give us the ultimate shave that we were promised with the original versions shows that we have learned to accept being sheep and following the hype that is put in front of us.

For me, the WDTV pretty much does what it says on the box and I'm confident that more firmware updates will improve it further. It will never be perfect and we should accept some limitations in our lust and greed to have this and that problem fixed immediately.

Reading the article about WDTV2 I am surprised that they are not thinking about wireless, which I think will put existing customers off buying a new version unless there are more features than those that seem to be proposed at the moment.

This kind of streaming box is becoming more popular with more vendors jumping on the bandwagon.

Right now though I'd say that the WDTV represents excellent value for money for what it does.

Support does need some improvement, not so much in the time of response, which in my experience has been very good but the knowledge of the people responding. I was told that the WDTV did not support Matroska files, which of course is pretty much MKV, so that was a little worrying, I do have to say.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: bz186 on June 16, 2009, 10:38:24 AM
Thanks for the info about the WD TV2. It says in the article that it will support almost every file format through the USB connection. Does this mean that the codecs will be played directly from the USB drive and won't be uploaded into the player. It would then be a simple case of loading the codecs directly onto the USB drive?
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: Scoops on June 17, 2009, 08:18:42 AM
Thanks for the info about the WD TV2. It says in the article that it will support almost every file format through the USB connection. Does this mean that the codecs will be played directly from the USB drive and won't be uploaded into the player. It would then be a simple case of loading the codecs directly onto the USB drive?

I think you may be (mis)reading too much into that sentence. The article says that besides ethernet, other functionality is likely to stay the same, then talks about reading virtually any format off USB drives and sticks... just like how the current WDTV reads virtually any format off USB drives and sticks.


It's also worth noting that, if the hardware stays essentially the same save the addition of an ethernet chipset, it's entirely possible that WDTV and WDTV-2 could share firmware. Many gadgets, like the PSP and iPhone, work this way. Features not supported by the older hardware are merely unavailable, even though bugfixes and other supported feature updates continue. All the gnashing about screwing over people by releasing a new version is stupid (as well as premature). Every electronics manufacturer ever has done that, and will continue to do it.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: bobosquishy on June 17, 2009, 09:11:51 AM
It's also worth noting that, if the hardware stays essentially the same save the addition of an ethernet chipset, it's entirely possible that WDTV and WDTV-2 could share firmware.

I've been assuming that at the very least, the wdtv2 would initially be working from the same codebase as the wdtv with the exception that the original wdtv essentially is a learning experience where WD has sorted out the demands of the userbase and shaken out most of the major bugs/flaws.  It makes sense not to start coding all over from scratch.  But of course that is no guarantee that the devices will be using the same firmware releases.  I would not be surprised to find that yet another company has deliberately left features out of a product - knowing that the hardware/platform/whatever can support these features - just so that they have another reason to sell a newer/alternative/more expensive version.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: bz186 on June 17, 2009, 09:54:15 AM
Since the player reads the codecs off the USB drive and USB drives can have large memories, there is essentially no limit to the amount of codecs the player can support. Would this be correct? It probably would then an issue of licensing fees.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: bobosquishy on June 17, 2009, 10:05:26 AM
No, you are confused.  WDTV does not work that way.  The the codecs needed to decode and play back video and audio are stored and read from inside the WDTV, not from USB.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: Scoops on June 17, 2009, 11:18:55 AM
The idea of making the user get codecs and store them on a USB drive is sort of opposite to the whole ease-of-use, plug-and-play philosophy of the WDTV. I can't imagine they'd do that to the WDTV2. As has been said, I think you're misreading the article.

Also: You'd have to get special codecs for the WDTV processor and system. It's not like you could just install CCCP on a thumbdrive and go to town.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: bz186 on June 17, 2009, 12:42:50 PM
Thanks. I am now understanding how the codecs are read now by the WDTV.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: rlarson_mn on June 20, 2009, 05:17:01 AM
For my two cents worth I think WD totally missed judged the success of their this little box not only in the US but world wide. I also think the engineers that designed the boxs features for future upgrading were right on. I have had my box for just over 2 months and have already done 3 upgrades to it with absolutely no issues. I hope that the upgraded WDTV2 have many new and interesting hardware and software features that will just WOW WDs customers and would be the first to get in line to get it. My current model would fit just perfect on my wifes HDTV in her sewing/den room.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: RaggedDog on June 28, 2009, 07:35:14 AM
Search Button? Woddat? :o

It would be great if someone wrote up a concise and authoritative way of getting NFS shares working. Or if WD themselves released a FW and guide.
I would also like info on the structure of the Sqlite database they use .. I'm trying to write an App for the PC
that reads the files and "plays" about with them.
But first I have to learn ruby or PERL then SQL then SQLITE then write the app.  

BZ186 the codecs that the wd can play are pretty much determined by the CPU/CHIP (sigma em 8679) inside the machine. If that chip cant play the codec then no amount of coding is going to help (mostly) .. disks or no disks. This chip is not like your intel CPU and is designed with one function in mind .. media playback .. with an emPHASIS on video playback
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: elmarweber on June 28, 2009, 09:09:48 AM
Hi,

offtopic to the main thread, but since you brought it up:

I would also like info on the structure of the Sqlite database they use .. I'm trying to write an App for the PC
that reads the files and "plays" about with them.
But first I have to learn ruby or PERL then SQL then SQLITE then write the app.  

the structure is not that hard to understand, you can simply take a look at the SQLite files directly with http://sqliteadmin.orbmu2k.de/ and browse through them. They contain mainly the extracted meta data and path, nothing fancy.

For the things you want to do I'd recommend Ruby, not because of the language but because IMHO the documentation for SQLite in Ruby is a lot better than for SQLite in Perl.

ciao,
elm
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: Whoheart on July 03, 2009, 06:39:42 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much :)
Any product you ever buy, you can almost certainly be sure that the manufacturer is already working on the next version/incarnation of the product.

Buy a PS3, Sony are already working on the PS4.
Buy an Intel processor - they're already working on the next one.
But a Ford Mondeo - they're already test driving the next model.

Just because they are all greedy doesn't mean its right.
There are things to fix now, before they abandon this thing on their quest for more money.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: METDeath on July 14, 2009, 06:15:27 PM
Personally, I figured out they were going to have a second box. Just from seeing admin postings about "the current hardware does not support this feature", but said request is on the "planned" list. Stuff like the decode DTS to Stereo.

I think they just picked a processor that would handle what they thought was basic media playback. They then found out that they needed more power than what they picked. So I think they're going to seriously over engineer the next one. (I just hope they don't cater to all the lazy bastards that want "Solitaire" or "Tetris" on the units.)

To those that just bought your WDTV and are pissed about the new one coming out, just return it or eat the cost.

I've had mine for a few months now, and it's been a real life saver on work trips, I don't have to sit in front of my laptop screen in a potentially uncomfortable chair.

Will I buy the new one? Probably, I'll wait and see if they add more features or a far better processor.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: bobosquishy on July 15, 2009, 12:17:50 AM
I don't see much of a reason to buy a newer version.  It pretty much does what I want now.  I mean, it would be nice to have support for a few more things... like GMC warp points and flv and the ability to copy/delete files, but I'm pretty satisfied with what I've got.  The only reason I would buy a WDTV2 is if it had support for things that the current hardware can't do.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: phazer on August 04, 2009, 11:29:04 PM
New "WDTV 2" pictures surface.
Now with incorporated LAN and DTS to Stereo Downmix.
It looks very nice. I am waiting forward to seeing this product on the market.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: tacitus on August 05, 2009, 12:23:50 AM
Nobody knows for certain that they are going to discontinue the current WDTV immediately yet.  I guess since they didn't add more expensive features like wireless it's likely the new box is a direct replacement, but there is still the possibility that they could reduce the WDTV-1 price to, say, $79 and sell the new one for $129 RRP.

As others have said, if they designed the software correctly, the new device will share as much of the same codebase as possible, so there is reason to hope that updates to the firmware will continue, at least for a while.

Finally, to those insisting on fixes before they ship a new product.  Don't be ridiculous.  Companies only do that when they're trying to defuse a PR disaster of some kind.  From all that I've read about the WDTV, it has been and continues to be a great success.  Yeah, some people have had serious problems, and others will never be happy, but overall the device is obviously one of the better value media players available.

In the end, nobody knows what will happen to the support for the existing WDTV until WD announces it (probably at the same time they formally announce the new model).  I hope they take the route of continuing to sell and support the old model as the low-end device, but we shall see.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: 3dxr on August 05, 2009, 12:48:19 AM
I don't see much of a reason to buy a newer version.  It pretty much does what I want now.  I mean, it would be nice to have support for a few more things... like GMC warp points and flv and the ability to copy/delete files, but I'm pretty satisfied with what I've got.  The only reason I would buy a WDTV2 is if it had support for things that the current hardware can't do.

old model is price oriented - and should be supported min year becouse has many customers ( today life cycle for products is max up to 2years)
reson why buy new model is native network features and imporved hw becouse 1y old model cant be competitor for Oplay or Xstreamer or PCH C200 hw based players which came on market last 2 months(7-8/2009) WDTV2 is only answer on concurent vendors stil is under 140$ only Xstremer is cheaper or old Egreat model  all others are over price limit
I hope WDTV2 will fix biggest disadvantage of WDTV1 model network radio support and native streammming support from PC or DLNA or shares WDTV has limited memory which can confirm modders if they want add everythinig into one FW its not possible becouse WDTV has only 13mb flash memoryavailable for us  this should also fix new hw revission we should wait on new
HW spec.

anyway sigma microcode FOR dts COST space on flash also DTS decoding also need more RAM WDTVv1 has 192mb I think
popcorn A-100 or other Syabas has more much more are you still thinking - upgrade was not required ?

for example WDLXTV have optimized/downsampled some  pictures becouse brad-c needed some space on flash memory
also some features was moved on usb-flash space becouse they are requested and on internal FLASH isnt free space

also there will be more technical  changes but time will answer if new WDTV model is only evolution or revolution ;-p
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: tacitus on August 05, 2009, 09:44:38 AM
I get your point, but it depends on where WD wants to position the new device.  If they want to keep it volume low end, then there is little reason for them to cater for the higher-end HD crowd, which is still very much in the minority (except when it comes to being vocal consumers!).

I haven't even bought myself an HD TV yet, but even when I do, the large majority of the media I consume will still be SD and 720p at most.  I have neither the means nor the desire to start buying $30 blu-ray disks or download mult-gigabyte 1080p videos from the Internet.  And if you look at the numbers, the market penetration of blu-ray is still very small.

Thus I think it's likely that WDTV-II will disappoint the high-end consumers, or those looking to take a big step up.  But I suspect it will be a successful product nonetheless.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: Ebbi on August 07, 2009, 05:15:10 AM
All I want is HDMI 1.3 with HD-audio passthrough.
Nice to have would be the ability to play ISOs or folder structure with menus.

Besides that, it fits my needs nearly perfectly.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: 3dxr on August 07, 2009, 07:38:23 AM
I get your point, but it depends on where WD wants to position the new device.  If they want to keep it volume low end, then there is little reason for them to cater for the higher-end HD crowd, which is still very much in the minority (except when it comes to being vocal consumers!).

I haven't even bought myself an HD TV yet, but even when I do, the large majority of the media I consume will still be SD and 720p at most.  I have neither the means nor the desire to start buying $30 blu-ray disks or download mult-gigabyte 1080p videos from the Internet.  And if you look at the numbers, the market penetration of blu-ray is still very small.

Thus I think it's likely that WDTV-II will disappoint the high-end consumers, or those looking to take a big step up.  But I suspect it will be a successful product nonetheless.

If you feel like  "high-end consumer" why you are looking on WDTV  buy anything else with high fidelity AV decoder
and  high-end consumers will not buy WDTV PCH or similiar device under 400$

Big bussiness are not doing  high-end consumers becouse they are minority :)
low and mainstream products buying people

Why was WDTV popular becouse was under 100$ why was PCH so popular
becouse was 1th LAN/x264/streamming/etc... products on market with relative good support from Syabas and community

but WDTV is one year old and still popular - smaller and totaly silent (PCH with HDD isnt - only with disabled fan)
why was last eGreat made(total copy of WDTV with ethernet) - becouse they need competitor for WDTV  the popularity answer

off course there is lot of things which should look better - but everything is price (developers licences etc)
WDTV2 will be probably good product we will see when will be out..... (I hope)


PS: I got at home JAMO and JBL speakers and low cost cable and I am not  high-end consumer ;) becouse I am listenning DTS downsampled on stereo and over analog output ;p


I am still waitting on WDTV-2 and new features network better and faster GUI and some surrprises
and new device after one year is good choice users can have still in same price like PCH 2 units not only one :)
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: chaseincats on August 07, 2009, 10:43:26 AM
why is it that the new device supports DTS but can only downmix it to stereo?
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: 3dxr on August 07, 2009, 12:10:10 PM
Nobody know what new device is doing

I am using down-mix to stereo - I never said what new device is doing I dont have it in my hands
and I dont have any deeper information now.

Only my english is poor :(
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: jonas9000 on August 17, 2009, 06:38:32 AM
Nice! Better to work with new firmware and support for audio/video format on WDTV-1. Support are proud of almost getting greece subtitles to work on WDTV1 (who cares ?, 4 people in greece maybe.) when WDTV1 is of sync with audio/subtitles/video in many .mkv files ???

Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: jayallan on August 22, 2009, 12:30:55 PM
Here is a new pic.

(http://www.wdtvforum.com/WDTV2.jay.jpg)

"The WD TV™ Live HD Media Player from Western Digital has everything you need to play your HD media collection
and the fun stuff you find on the web in brilliant HD 1080p on your big screen HDTV. Because it supports a wide variety
of file types, you can instantly enjoy all your home digital media, regardless of the file format. Plus you get direct access
to a huge selection of video, photos, and music from popular internet sites like YouTube, Flickr, Live 365, and Pandora
(U.S. only) right from the beautifully easy WDTV navigation screen. The WD TV Live HD media player is exceptionally
easy to use so anyone in the family can do it and, because it’s networked, you can easily access media from any
PC in the home."

Specification:
WD TV (TM)
Live Media Player
Features
-Play Full HD 1080p video, music and photos on your HD TV
-Supports widest variety of file formats and devices
-Network capable for easy access to the newest content from PCs, network drives, internet favorites
Kit Contents
-Media Player
-Compact remote with batteries
-Composite AV cable
-Component AV cable
-AC adapter
-Quick Install Guide

Compatibility
HDMI, Full HD (1080p), AAC, MP3, JPEG, USB 2.0, H.264, SimplayHD™, Energy Star®, Dolby Digital, DTS, DLNA, Bonjour, AVCHD, Windows Vista

Media Formats
AVI (Xvid, AVC, MPEG1/2/4), MPG/MPEG, MKV (h.264, x.264, AVC, MPEG1/2/4, VC-1),
TS/TP/M2T (MPEG1/2/4, AVC, VC-1) MP4/MOV (MPEG4, h.264), M2TS, WMV9
JPEG, GIF, TIFF, BMP, PNG
MP3, WAV/PCM/LPCM, WMA, AAC, FLAC, MKA, AIF/AIFF, OGG, Dolby Digital, DTS
Playlist – PLS, M3U, WPL

Subtitle – SRT, ASS, SSA, SUB, SMI

MPEG2 MP@HL up to 1920x1080p24, 1920x1080i30, or 1280x720p60 resolution. MPEG4.2 ASP@L5 up to
1280x720p30 resolution and no support for global motion compensation. WMV9/VC-1 MP@HL up to 1280x720p60
or 1920x1080p24 resolution. VC-1 AP@L3 up to 1920x1080i30, 1920x1080p24, or 1280x720p60 resolution.
H.264 BP@L3 up to 720x480p30 or 720x576p25 resolution. H.264 MP@4.1 and HP@4.1 up to 1920x1080p24,
1920x1080i30, or 1280x720p60 resolution.
An audio receiver is required for multi-channel surround sound digital output. Compressed RGB JPEG formats only
and progressive JPEG up to 2048x2048.
Single layer TIFF files only. Uncompressed BMP only. Specific details, please refer to the user manual
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: richex on August 22, 2009, 04:37:22 PM
jayallan,

Thanks for the info.
Good news: networking and DTS.
Bad news: no ISO nor VOB support as far as I see in the description.

I may buy this new model next year since I have 2 LCD TV's, depending on firmware support for the previous model.

Ricardo
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: PCKid on August 22, 2009, 09:14:29 PM
Surprised if vob doesn't work as it works perfectly on WD TV 1. No Dolby True-HD or DTS downmix support though so hardly worth the update. Don't need networking unless it was via a wireless N+ plug.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: Ron[NL] on August 23, 2009, 01:40:42 AM
Some shops in the Netherlands already offer it ...

http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/245049/western-digital-wd-tv-live-media-player.html (http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/245049/western-digital-wd-tv-live-media-player.html)
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: richex on August 23, 2009, 03:35:51 AM
PCKid,

Some VOB's dont work in WDTV 1 (though I think it's a small number, and I think it has to do with multiangle stuff).
Even for the ones that work, WD claims it's not officially supported and does not provide tech support for it.
That's what I was referring to.
Hopefully they just missed in the tech specs and now VOB will be officially supported.

Ricardo
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: YSAliens on August 23, 2009, 04:47:22 PM
Sigh. I just got the WD TV 1 and now there's 2. Good thing is 2 doesn't really have anything that I can't live without. Bad thing is it seems the bugs in the WD TV 1 won't be fixed anytime soon if WD TV 2 will get all the attention. Sigh.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: rick19011 on August 27, 2009, 05:07:31 AM
Another bad thing is that the WDTV does not support dts downmix and the wdtv2 appears to support this,
looks like I wasted my money :-\
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: jayallan on August 27, 2009, 03:54:41 PM
Another bad thing is that the WDTV does not support dts downmix and the wdtv2 appears to support this,
looks like I wasted my money :-\

Why don't you just rip your media to AC3 ?  If you don't have a DTS decoder in your home theater then you definitely don't have the gear to notice the difference in quality between DTS and AC3.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: hoebk on August 27, 2009, 09:40:54 PM
Still no support for RMVB type files.

what a joke that mini wdtv support it but the higher model doesn't support this.
Do I have to buy one Mini WDTV and one WDTV?
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: 3dxr on August 27, 2009, 10:07:03 PM
WDTV is released oct/2008
WDTV mini is released aug/2009

Are you sure is WDTV-1 higher model ? WDTV is older model  and WDTV mini is different model
Are you sure if both models using same hw ? I am not sure I dont have open mini and also not found any HW tech spec of WDTVmini
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: badburn on August 28, 2009, 09:41:04 AM
IMO wdtv-mini was released because wdtv-1 will be updated to wdtv gen2 in which they have added dts and wifi.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: tacitus on August 28, 2009, 11:37:53 AM
I don't believe the WDTV-2 will have wifi network support -- just a wired network socket.  You will still have to buy a wifi dongle for wireless support.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: badburn on August 28, 2009, 12:13:06 PM
oops yup your correct just a lan connection  ;D
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: PCKid on August 31, 2009, 04:34:25 PM
PCKid,

Some VOB's dont work in WDTV 1 (though I think it's a small number, and I think it has to do with multiangle stuff).
Even for the ones that work, WD claims it's not officially supported and does not provide tech support for it.
That's what I was referring to.
Hopefully they just missed in the tech specs and now VOB will be officially supported.

Ricardo

OK Didn't realise that. All mine have worked. I rent TV series and using Mac The Ripper rip the episodes and leave them in vob format. Done loads and all work perfectly. Guess I've been lucky. Have 2 WD TVs but about to dump both to get 2 Popcornhour C200s when they are released later this month.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: B5Fan on September 01, 2009, 02:21:37 PM
Hmm.  Dumping 2 $99 devices for 2 $299 devices.  Guess the recession isn't hurting everyone.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: tacitus on September 02, 2009, 12:59:20 AM
It's often about what you *want* to afford as opposed to what you *can* afford.   8)

While I was investigating which media player to buy, I came across any number of "early adopters" who quite happily build up a collection of six or more media players as they chase after the latest and greater media player to come along.  I suppose it's as much a hobby as anything else -- and certainly cheaper than collecting stamps or rare china or spending hundreds of dollars a month competing in dirt bike races, or something like that!

I'm still waiting to buy my first eBook reader -- something I have lusted after for a while now.  Some people (who are probably not as well off as I am) are on their third or fourth already!
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: jayallan on October 02, 2009, 02:21:49 PM
Anyone have one of these yet?
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: brajr on October 05, 2009, 09:44:24 AM
WONDER IF THE FIRMWARE FOR WD2 CAN RUN ON WDtv
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: .:Meero:. on October 07, 2009, 12:02:56 PM
Couldn't hold it any longer!  ::)
Just pre-ordered the WDTV Live, 2x 1.5TB HDD + enclosure, Blu-Ray drive, wifi dongle, and USB hub. £385 all in all...  ;D
*praying for ISO menu support*
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: 3dxr on October 07, 2009, 01:37:58 PM
From where ?
BD drive hmmm are you sure next generation will support BD if first isnt officially supporting DVD drives ?
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: .:Meero:. on October 07, 2009, 03:17:59 PM
From amazon.co.uk.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-Internet-Streamer-Television/dp/B002LZUHMI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1254957443&sr=8-2-spell

The BD drive is for my desktop computer. Primarily so that I can rip two DVDs at the same time now, but also so that I can rip BluRays in the future.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: .:Meero:. on October 08, 2009, 11:31:18 AM
 :o *argh* >:(

Quote
Dear Customer,

Greetings from Amazon.co.uk.

Please be advised that we have a revised delivery date for the items you ordered on October 07 2009.

  "Western Digital Live 1080p Internet Media Streamer Television"
   Estimated arrival date: November 13 2009 - December 01 2009
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: dextertech on October 08, 2009, 02:14:33 PM
thx for the info.:Meero:.  i've been waiting for the 2nd edition ever since it was announced.

A deal-breaker for me would be if the WDTV2 (live) doesn't stream from samba shares. Does anyone know if this will be supported?
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: voltagex on October 11, 2009, 11:12:53 PM
A deal-breaker for me would be if the WDTV2 (live) doesn't stream from samba shares. Does anyone know if this will be supported?

Yes, it streams over Samba. Please see my other thread for more info.
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: peacedog on October 12, 2009, 04:31:16 AM
Another bad thing is that the WDTV does not support dts downmix and the wdtv2 appears to support this,
looks like I wasted my money :-\

I use a freeware program called AudioConverter to convert my DTS-encoded MKV files to AC3.  You can retain the DTS track if you choose (which I don't choose).

Conversion doesn't take too long.  I'm using an old P4-3.2Ghz and it takes 30 minutes for a 2 hour movie. 

http://audioconverter.heartware.dk/Tutorial/
Title: Re: Western Digital Confirms New WDTV-2
Post by: .:Meero:. on October 13, 2009, 09:56:07 AM
Gave up on amazon.co.uk and canceled my order. Amazon said they would send me the two 1.5TB HDs and the bluray drive separately because the WDTV Live was not in stock ("Usually dispatched within 1 to 3 months"!). Then they started saying they wouldn't ship the drives either for two more weeks because they weren't in stock, even though their site clearly say they are!  >:( Want to start ripping my DVDs now!

Got an email this morning from lambda-tek.com saying they now had 38 of the WDTV Live in stock. I went out to my local Comet first to see if I could pick it up there, and when I came back they were all gone!  :(

Luckily scan.co.uk showed their stock would arrive today, so I called them and conformed that they had indeed received 200+ units. Placed my order at 4.05pm and just got an email confirming it has been dispatched at 6.45pm. That's what I call service!  :D