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WDTV LIVE Groups => WDTV LIVE - Official Information => Topic started by: ScottWD on February 23, 2010, 10:54:41 AM

Title: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: ScottWD on February 23, 2010, 10:54:41 AM
Now available for download

http://bit.ly/cSumTD (http://bit.ly/cSumTD)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 23, 2010, 11:12:32 AM
Thanks!

(Remember pitokhato, Scott has you on ignore so won't see it if you whine ;-)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 23, 2010, 11:14:20 AM
Before people start asking if this adds a washing machine simulation and high score, here is their list of things done:

   Added Windows 7 Support.
   Added larger subtitle font size options.
   Added European language input for keyboard.
   Added serial and part number to About page.
   Added support for embedded subtitles in mpg files.
   Added new category in Photo/Video to view by date.
   Added a field in network settings for changing the workgroup name.
   Added ability to play a video from the preview window without restarting.
   Added username/password feature for SAMBA security.
   Added Wireless LAN strength bar in Network info page.
   Changed default browsing by date to start with the latest files first.
   Changed video browse default to "Preview Mode" instead of thumbnail mode.
   Corrected several language translations issues. 
   Resolved issues with subtitle sync adjustment. 
   Resolved abnormal display of BMP photos through a media server.
   Resolved Audio channel information shows up in AutoPlay mode.
   Resolved Blu-ray ISO subtitle not displaying throughout VIDEO playback.
   Resolved Blu-ray slow playback across SAMBA.
   Resolved camera files not enumerating correctly in mass storage.
   Resolved login issue with SAMBA after exiting screen saver.
   Resolved DVR-MS black screen problem on resume after forward and rewind.
   Resolved external sub/idx subtitles flashbacking issue.
   Resolved playback across media server failures.   
   Resolved hard drive icon from disappearing in the video list under preview mode.
   Resolved issue of HDMI becoming jittery after long time play.
   Resolved M4V files not supporting fast forward and rewind.
   Resolved manual network addressing issue.
   Resolved missing shuffle & repeat icon for slideshow within Flickr.
   Resolved music search not displaying playlist names.
   Resolved network devices (SAMBA) disappearing without warning.
   Resolved PTP issue of unsupported video file formats DX6490,DIMAGE Z2 & X1, Optio
555 and DMC-FX2.
   Resolved Sony Walkman not showing photos within directory.
   Resolved unsupported file formats not showing an error message.
   Resolved video playback overscan issue for CRT TVs.
   Resolved WIFI Belkin F6D4050 with RAlink 3070 chip and Linksys WUSUB100 Ver 2.
   Resolved WIFI ZyXel NWD-270N dongle not enumerating.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: ro3ck on February 23, 2010, 11:39:30 AM
can someone upload it?
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: paulselby1 on February 23, 2010, 11:41:26 AM
 ??? I take it there will be 'killer features' in the official release ?  ???
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: GuyWD on February 23, 2010, 11:46:40 AM
The download link is pointing to the wrong file right now. We'll get it fixed as soon as possible.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: lilibabe on February 23, 2010, 11:47:56 AM
Dl link indicates 1.01.14 ?!?
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: juliojs on February 23, 2010, 11:53:45 AM
Is this?  ;D

http://download.wdc.com/wdtv/wdtvlive_1.02.14.zip (http://download.wdc.com/wdtv/wdtvlive_1.02.14.zip)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 23, 2010, 12:00:52 PM
Yeah they fixed the link now - perhaps some webdude slacker forgot to edit it  ;D
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: GuyWD on February 23, 2010, 12:07:01 PM
Is this?  ;D

http://download.wdc.com/wdtv/wdtvlive_1.02.14.zip (http://download.wdc.com/wdtv/wdtvlive_1.02.14.zip)

This is actually pointing to the wrong file at the moment. It should be fixed soon.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 23, 2010, 12:08:49 PM
Is this?  ;D

http://download.wdc.com/wdtv/wdtvlive_1.02.14.zip (http://download.wdc.com/wdtv/wdtvlive_1.02.14.zip)

This is actually pointing to the wrong file at the moment. It should be fixed soon.

It was pointing to 1.24 before - now it poitns to 2.14 and the download is another archive (haven't tested the content though)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 23, 2010, 12:10:10 PM
??? I take it there will be 'killer features' in the official release ?  ???

*duh*

NO. This is as test of THIS version. Once they are reasonably certain there are no new bugs then THIS will be released.

THEN they start working on the next version.

We just get to look at the 'beta' to check out they haven't broken anything we care about.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: juliojs on February 23, 2010, 12:16:24 PM
Is this?  ;D

http://download.wdc.com/wdtv/wdtvlive_1.02.14.zip (http://download.wdc.com/wdtv/wdtvlive_1.02.14.zip)

This is actually pointing to the wrong file at the moment. It should be fixed soon.

I got the link just trying with "_" and "." between the numbers   :D

wdtvlive.ver shows: VERSION='1.02.15'

Finally, is this?:
http://download.wdc.com/wdtv/wdtvlive_1_02_14.zip (http://download.wdc.com/wdtv/wdtvlive_1_02_14.zip)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: GuyWD on February 23, 2010, 12:21:23 PM
http://download.wdc.com/wdtv/wdtvlive_1_02_14.zip (http://download.wdc.com/wdtv/wdtvlive_1_02_14.zip) - This is the correct firmware update file. Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 23, 2010, 12:38:10 PM
Yeah the ver file didn't match in the first zip, it does it the second i got.
And the archive is 31.9MB

Is your webmaster drunk by any chance?  ;D
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: ScottWD on February 23, 2010, 12:58:23 PM
I am waiting to see if B-Rad will find the hidden treasures in this release  :D
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: venk25 on February 23, 2010, 01:06:58 PM
The date on files inside the zip is 2/8/2010.

Scott/Guy - what took you so long to release to us ?  ;D  Seriously, thanks. Will give it a try.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: colbertnotion on February 23, 2010, 01:46:53 PM
For those interested in downloading, here is an alternative BitTorrent download location (will be seeded by me as long as possible but dependent on shares from other downloaders):

http://torrage.com/torrent/933C4D2106189D59DCC226C86B5084642E73515C.torrent (http://torrage.com/torrent/933C4D2106189D59DCC226C86B5084642E73515C.torrent)

Please consider supporting TORRAGE and help keep the flow of information free to all...
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 23, 2010, 02:04:28 PM
Ok,

First problem I see is: MKVs now take a lot longer to play (via shares) - first one i tried took almost 3 minutes to start playing!
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: drammff on February 23, 2010, 02:10:27 PM
I am waiting to see if B-Rad will find the hidden treasures in this release  :D


Hidden treasures!?

I'm sure ScottWD knows if there are hidden things in this release, so ....
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Headcase_Fargone on February 23, 2010, 03:18:50 PM
Quote
Resolved playback across media server failures

Any idea yet what this might mean?
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 23, 2010, 04:17:50 PM
I am waiting to see if B-Rad will find the hidden treasures in this release  :D


Hidden treasures!?

I'm sure ScottWD knows if there are hidden things in this release, so ....

I'm also sure he won't tell us ;-)

But remus looked inside, and there are graphics for CinemaNow, Mediafly, Deezer and Facebook inside the firmware.

However since some people speculate that WD isn't actually writing the firmware but getting it from some Chinese company that MAY just mean other models are getting these features.

Perhaps ScottWD will say something. Or not, with all the negative vibes in here he needs to have some fun ;)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: kebien on February 23, 2010, 06:20:14 PM
***I am waiting to see if B-Rad will find the hidden treasures in this release  Cheesy****

Now I;m scared to even try it !!!!

Seriously,is no secret the sigma dev support a web browser,such as the one in AZBOX satellite receiver (same sigma chipset).
Looks evident to me that more of this will show up (looking at the facebook icon in another thread make me think there will be updates in this direction,I might be wrong,of course)

I'm most intrigued now that there are hidden treasures to discover.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: rokr on February 23, 2010, 07:32:05 PM
Thank you WD dev team for the subtitle font size and .PGS subtitle support, these are huge improvements!

I would like to request a couple of things, if possible:

1. Ability to change subtitle position on the screen up/down (offset)

2. The audio information OSD when a video starts, can you disable that?

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: dr99 on February 23, 2010, 08:26:06 PM
Ok,

First problem I see is: MKVs now take a lot longer to play (via shares) - first one i tried took almost 3 minutes to start playing!

I had the same problem with every mkv I tried, but it took me about 30 secs for each video to start.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 23, 2010, 09:02:20 PM
The MKV problem seems to be related to the length of the MKV clip. It goes up exponentially - its like the device is trying to read the entire fil before it starts playing it.

But only via Shares, if you play it via a USB stick it starts after a second or so.


Has anybody found that "European language input for keyboard" they claim to have added?
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: kaitokid on February 24, 2010, 01:01:02 AM
1. Ability to change subtitle position on the screen up/down (offset)

So this pre-release firmware does not solve the subtitle position problem yet? My god... how long should it take to solve this simple problem.. I do not ask for full subtitle functions, but just lower the subtitle as what WD TV HD gen 1 does right now...
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: dribbller1 on February 24, 2010, 01:37:01 AM
Yep my mkv's doing the same and yes the delay is determined by the length of the movie.

I started a full length movie and it started after 4 minutes (4 minutes of black screen)
I started a Pixar short movie and it started after 20 seconds (also black screen)

The same thing happens in the preview screen when in preview mode.

Not to fussed as it is beta release after all... pretty sure now its surfaced it will be resolved in the official release.

WD can you please resolve the double thumb issue... pretty please with sugar on top :) :) :)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: dribbller1 on February 24, 2010, 01:54:35 AM
1. Ability to change subtitle position on the screen up/down (offset)

So this pre-release firmware does not solve the subtitle position problem yet? My god... how long should it take to solve this simple problem.. I do not ask for full subtitle functions, but just lower the subtitle as what WD TV HD gen 1 does right now...

I know people are frustrated.... believe me I'm one of them.... however I think and this is only my opinion.. but I think WD have started... (I said started so not yet) to redeem themselves in regards to communication and trying to ease the pain with a beta release... I for one have stopped complaining for now as I'm somewhat pleased with the way things are heading :)

Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: d3vil on February 24, 2010, 02:20:28 AM
So many changes and still the major bugs are still present, like the out-of-sync audio issues with AC3 and digital output
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: timeey on February 24, 2010, 08:27:48 AM
Sorry, but I have only one word for the last firmware updates (including .12, .17 and .24) over the last ~2 or 3 MONTHs: ridiculous.

No fix for major bugs (audio async for ac3/dts and much more reported from the community), no autoframerate what is "in review" since WDTV Gen1 (and this is really not a big deal to code) or just the option to set the frequency without going through the whole menu, no dvd-menu support or something like that. All we get are new bugs. I know that this is only a beta-version and i'm not really pissed because of the new bug(s), but i'm pissed because it seems, that nothing happens. 1 step towards and 2 backwards... And I really dont need new shoutcasts or something like that (if this is the "major" thing what ScottWD talked about) - things like that could be implemented, if the unit has no more major bugs -, i need a useful MEDIAplayer for what i paid for.

I was one of the first wdtv gen1 and later wdtv live owner and i was really patient for the whole time, but now i'm really annoyed and disappointed. I advised many other people (in several forums) to buy the wdtv (live) if they search a good player for a good price. But as you can think, this is a thing of the past.
I bought the new Live because i thought there will be the features the community requested. But what i get, was a faster but async unit with a finally working 23.976Hz mode, where i cannot use ac3/dts and without that watching movies is no fun...

Just have a look at the new A200 and the updates. Released january/february 2010 and has two HUGE firmware-updates (29.1. and 24.2.) with a huge number of new features and bugfixes (reported from the community).... and what did WD since november?!

Sorry for my plain speaking...
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: frankie-boy on February 24, 2010, 11:07:57 AM
My findings of the new firmware which I like:

1. True-HD is played, on one m2ts-file(???)(Second audio track). It's shown as Audio Channel AC3 (digital)
2. Subtitles within m2ts-files are shown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Although it doesn't show the language. KEWL!!!!!!
3. *.mov files of our Panasonic can be played!!!!!
4. Subtitles within iso-files are shown with the right language...

Grtz,

Frank
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: NoSubstitute on February 24, 2010, 11:37:52 AM
So many changes and still the major bugs are still present, like the out-of-sync audio issues with AC3 and digital output

OOS with AC3 is just so annoying.

My AV Receiver does a decent job of faking 5.1 with a stereo source, but is definitely not the same as with a proper digital input. something which becomes painstakingly evident when I watch a DTS movie with synced sound.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Slimbo on February 24, 2010, 01:29:55 PM
There are new zoom out options as previously stated (0.9, 0.8, etc) which is cool - but if the powers that be are reading this thread could that be tweaked a little please? 0.99 - 0.90 then the rest of the progression as is would be brilliant - everyone who has an overscan problem would then be able to find their optimum viewing size :)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: toadle on February 24, 2010, 02:50:24 PM
Still searching for that "Resolved: Thumbnail images showing up seperately from video-files on network-drives"-line. Sadly it is not to be found.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 24, 2010, 03:38:37 PM
Still searching for that "Resolved: Thumbnail images showing up seperately from video-files on network-drives"-line. Sadly it is not to be found.

Then there was no point in posting.

Pointing out that i had to wait more then 10 minutes for and MKV is probably worth reporting though...
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: timeey on February 25, 2010, 12:50:22 AM
Yeah, useless update. Mkv playback over network is impossible because it needs some minutes. And I only use mkv's.

And no major bugfixes... just fix the ac3/dts async problem (and other important bugs), it is really annoying. And what about DVD-Menu? So much player have this feature, also cheap noname products, but for the WDTV it is "in review" since months (also for the old wdtv). And autoframerate? It's ridiculous that we have to go through the whole  menu to set the frequency. That isn't really a big deal to code.

Stop to put useless new shoutcasts or something like that in it, just fix the major bugs.... please!
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Leverbrus on February 25, 2010, 01:33:26 AM
Yeah, useless update. Mkv playback over network is impossible because it needs some minutes. And I only use mkv's.

And no major bugfixes... just fix the ac3/dts async problem (and other important bugs), it is really annoying. And what about DVD-Menu? So much player have this feature, also cheap noname products, but for the WDTV it is "in review" since months (also for the old wdtv). And autoframerate? It's ridiculous that we have to go through the whole  menu to set the frequency. That isn't really a big deal to code.

Stop to put useless new shoutcasts or something like that in it, just fix the major bugs.... please!

Hear hear! Sync issues and the framerate problem are WDTV Live's biggest problems that turns normal operation into a big hazzle.

Please, WD, fix the sync on digital out!
Please, WD, look for inspiration in the PS3's way of handling auto framerate!
Please, WD, add support for dvd iso menus!
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: frankie-boy on February 25, 2010, 01:55:57 AM
Yeah, useless update. Mkv playback over network is impossible because it needs some minutes. And I only use mkv's.

As far as I'm concerned, it's definitely not a useless update :).
It benefits me a bit :).
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: marciton on February 25, 2010, 02:54:02 AM
Thank you WD dev team for the subtitle font size and .PGS subtitle support, these are huge improvements!

I would like to request a couple of things, if possible:

1. Ability to change subtitle position on the screen up/down (offset)

2. The audio information OSD when a video starts, can you disable that?

Thanks  :)

+1 please
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: synaptic on February 25, 2010, 03:07:20 AM
As far as I'm concerned, it's definitely not a useless update :).

+1. They spent the last update fixing YouTube, this one is Networking fixes. Changing Workgroup name is exactly what I had been waiting for!
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: guuru on February 25, 2010, 03:41:19 AM
good stuff to get an update lol. there s allways stuff to fix and resolve. though, it would be nice to see tasklist from WD team, so that customers can perhaps see whats in the future fm releases, whats coming...?

edit:

also when there is a tasklist, ppl would less complain about things that are beeing worked on, picture would be a bit more clear ey?
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: timeey on February 25, 2010, 05:08:59 AM
As far as I'm concerned, it's definitely not a useless update :).

+1. They spent the last update fixing YouTube, this one is Networking fixes. Changing Workgroup name is exactly what I had been waiting for!

Networking fixes? If you mean, that now a mkv takes minutes to start (with the old fw it starts immediately), then yea, nice fix... Network worked fine for me before and i only stream through network and I have no storage connected. And the workgroup thing is not really a big deal (furthermore: who needs that?! O_o)... that takes 10min to code.

There are more important bugs to fix than that.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: drammff on February 25, 2010, 05:37:06 AM
According to big delay playing videos across network, it seems that during initial buffering, transfer rate is limited to 600kbps aprox, that's why it takes so long to start.

Playing videos through windows7 media server, doubles network speed compared to network shares on the same computer (via wifi).

Is WD putting some kind of throughput limits in their software?

WD please optimize netcode so this means you can watch a movie or not.

Sorry 4 my english.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 25, 2010, 07:00:57 AM
God, I wish people would shut up about what the want to see in the future, and concentrate on the current prerelease.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: coastline on February 25, 2010, 10:38:19 AM
Hi Whoheart,

Can you confirm the "Pending" fix for "Correct Colour Matrix use (BT.709) on unflagged HD material" is NOT in this beta firmware!

I guess I'll have to wait a bit longer :-)

Nice to see beta's becoming available, Keep it coming WD!

 
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 25, 2010, 03:06:48 PM
Hi Whoheart,

Can you confirm the "Pending" fix for "Correct Colour Matrix use (BT.709) on unflagged HD material" is NOT in this beta firmware!

I guess I'll have to wait a bit longer :-)

Nice to see beta's becoming available, Keep it coming WD!

Afraid I can't coastline, I don't think i ever noticed it in the first place! I don't really have any bluerays. Besides i think my eyes are a bit fuzzy so I might not spot it at all!

(Though I have noticed sometimes the color of the subtitles change shade form bright white to dull white, not sure what that is about)

Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: SiegeX on February 25, 2010, 03:51:06 PM
Whoheart,

The good news is that this bug is very easy to spot with the right video file.  Download http://www.cypheros.de/files/Testbild_colour_description_alternating_120sec.ts (http://www.cypheros.de/files/Testbild_colour_description_alternating_120sec.ts) and play it on your WDTV Live.  This test pattern works by constantly switching from unflagged to BT.709.  If the bug still exists you should easily notice that greens get way oversaturated and the color ramps are no longer linear.  If the bug is squashed there will be no color shifts whatsoever.

On a different topic.  People, please remember that this is a beta release of which the entire intent is to discover problems prior to an actual public release.  The fact that people found the MKV problem is a good thing.  Granted that I would certainly like to see a roadmap of what bugs/features that WD plans to implement in the near future but they are certainly heading in the right direction with this beta release to win back our support.  Lets give them a shot to earn that trust back.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: wolfgr on February 25, 2010, 05:58:59 PM
link to download 1.02.14 please?
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: colbertnotion on February 25, 2010, 06:45:33 PM
ONCE AGAIN...

For those interested in downloading, here is an alternative BitTorrent download location (seeding by me as long as possible but dependent on shares from other downloaders, in other words -- SHARE!):

http://torrage.com/torrent/933C4D2106189D59DCC226C86B5084642E73515C.torrent (http://torrage.com/torrent/933C4D2106189D59DCC226C86B5084642E73515C.torrent)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: dribbller1 on February 25, 2010, 07:03:53 PM
ONCE AGAIN...

For those interested in downloading, here is an alternative BitTorrent download location (seeding by me as long as possible but dependent on shares from other downloaders, in other words -- SHARE!):

http://torrage.com/torrent/933C4D2106189D59DCC226C86B5084642E73515C.torrent (http://torrage.com/torrent/933C4D2106189D59DCC226C86B5084642E73515C.torrent)


I already have it but ill download it and seed for a bit to help out :)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 25, 2010, 09:05:05 PM
WD are living up to the title, they are no longer offering the prerelease.

Hopefully this means they'll fix the MKV bug and release a new version Monday ;)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: schnoid on February 25, 2010, 11:02:27 PM
wow, i was pretty excited to see the beta and even downloaded it, but after reading this thread I realized its not worth installing right now. My primary purpose is to stream MKV files and if this doesn't work I might as well not have a WD TV Live at all. Popbox is still looking like the way to go. Sorry WD... I appreciate that you guys are making an effort, but its not looking very promising. Hire one decent code monkey and at least a good chunk of these issues could be fixed in days. I saw a youtube video of Boxee Box and the guy was asked who coded the interface (which looked really nice btw) and he said him. Yea, one engineer = really nice interface. I'm not the best programmer in the world, but I honestly think I could manage to do a better job.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: paulselby1 on February 25, 2010, 11:17:41 PM
ONCE AGAIN...

For those interested in downloading, here is an alternative BitTorrent download location (seeding by me as long as possible but dependent on shares from other downloaders, in other words -- SHARE!):

http://torrage.com/torrent/933C4D2106189D59DCC226C86B5084642E73515C.torrent (http://torrage.com/torrent/933C4D2106189D59DCC226C86B5084642E73515C.torrent)


I have zero use for this update - I've not been effected by any of the issues that are now 'fixed' and there are NO new features of use to me. However, in the name of community spirit I'll download this and seed as long as needed.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: schnoid on February 26, 2010, 08:56:19 AM
ONCE AGAIN...

For those interested in downloading, here is an alternative BitTorrent download location (seeding by me as long as possible but dependent on shares from other downloaders, in other words -- SHARE!):

http://torrage.com/torrent/933C4D2106189D59DCC226C86B5084642E73515C.torrent (http://torrage.com/torrent/933C4D2106189D59DCC226C86B5084642E73515C.torrent)


I have zero use for this update - I've not been effected by any of the issues that are now 'fixed' and there are NO new features of use to me. However, in the name of community spirit I'll download this and seed as long as needed.

thats nice of you, but sounds like you're better off not seeding it. If its a useless update a bunch of people are gonna go through the hassle of updating their boxes and end up removing it.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 26, 2010, 10:09:18 AM
I have zero use for this update -

IT IS NOT AN UPDATE - it is a test, a prerelease of firmware so that the community has an ability to test it for bugs as well as their in house testing.

I've not been effected by any of the issues that are now 'fixed'

When you put it in "'" it sounds as if you think they are lying. There is no proof of that - they tell us they have fixed these things and we have no reason not to believe it, unless it turns out a fix didn't work.

and there are NO new features of use to me. However, in the name of community spirit I'll download this and seed as long as needed.

Don't.

This prerelease was offered for a while on Wester Digitals site, and it has now been removed. It is not a firmware update everybody should have - it was a test version for those willing to do beta testing.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: paulselby1 on February 26, 2010, 12:19:33 PM
Appologies. I've now stopped sharing this beta release.

My feeling is (and you can shoot me down if I'm wrong) that if as has been said in reply to my previous post this beta will become a full release 'as it is' then it will be no use for most users.

I'm pretty sure most are like me , happy with the product as it currently stands happily playing all the media I throw at it. All I'm after (and I'm sure others are the same) is some nice new features to add to a product that's already spot on.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 26, 2010, 01:44:18 PM
My feeling is (and you can shoot me down if I'm wrong) that if as has been said in reply to my previous post this beta will become a full release 'as it is' then it will be no use for most users.

Oh I agree with you there, it wouldn't be good if the current version becomes a full release, if for no other reason that they have introduced a big bug with playing MKVs from shares.
But since they have removed the prerelease from their homepage I'm guessing they are working on fixing this, and that we might see a new beta soon.

I'm pretty sure most are like me , happy with the product as it currently stands happily playing all the media I throw at it. All I'm after (and I'm sure others are the same) is some nice new features to add to a product that's already spot on.

Yeah, I think you are right. It generally does what it says on the box, there have been a few problems - objectively I don't think there have been that many, but I they seem to be wanting to fix them first - which is fair.

Of course a lot of us would like to see more features added (just check the homebrew forums), and whilst they didn't promise this on the box, they have indicated that they are prepared to add features which are possible (playing realmedia isn't possible since the playback chip doesn't support that, and the computer in the live isn't powerfull enough to do it on the fly - plus it would require additional licenses to be paid).

We also know that the official firmware only uses a small part of the firmware memory on the device (6% i think it was), so there is room for many more features to be add ... if they want to - exactly how much they want to is anybodies guess.

Perhaps they are getting ready to announce the WDTV Super Ding Dong Live with a Toaster version?!

We shall see :)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: schnoid on February 26, 2010, 02:23:57 PM
Its true that they have absolutely no responsibility to do stuff that's not advertised on the box but the reality of the situation is come march... Popbox... Same price point.. much nicer interface... more functionality. Yes, not everyone that already has WD TV Live will switch over, but thats not really what they're worried about is it? I go to the store and see WD TV Live with very basic functions and a crappy interface... then I see popbox with an awesome interface and functions like DVD menus, search, and apps... hmm, which one do I choose!?!? You know the answer. WD TV will be a dead product if something drastic doesn't get released by next month. B-rad and others in the homebrew community will be the only ones keeping any interest in WD TV, but my hope is if nothing is changed he and all the others developing custom firmwares will switch over to something else. March is in 3 days... At the very latest we'll be seeing both popbox and boxee box in less than a month. I wonder if WD cares?
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: marciton on February 26, 2010, 02:49:54 PM
it's a beta
the MKV bug has been identify ... now we need wait for beta 2 that fix it  ;)

It's good to have beta and discover that type of bug on final firmware
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 26, 2010, 05:04:41 PM
Its true that they have absolutely no responsibility to do stuff that's not advertised on the box but the reality of the situation is come march... Popbox... Same price point.. much nicer interface... more functionality.

It also has advertising on the screen, did you notice that? They said they funded 'third party' modules by allowing them to show advertisement on the screen?! I'm not going to buy a device with that.

Yes, not everyone that already has WD TV Live will switch over, but thats not really what they're worried about is it? I go to the store and see WD TV Live with very basic functions and a crappy interface... then I see popbox with an awesome interface and functions like DVD menus, search, and apps... hmm, which one do I choose!?!? You know the answer.

Well I don't think the Live has that crappy an interface, its bit newbie like - but easy to understand, which is also a point if your entire family needs to operate it. But it could be "sexier", so perhaps one of the things they should get working on is 'skinning' there are a ton of people out there with digital pens at the ready.  A lot of people seem to like the ability to have movie info, flashy graphics etc.

Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: NoSubstitute on February 26, 2010, 11:33:29 PM
It also has advertising on the screen, did you notice that? They said they funded 'third party' modules by allowing them to show advertisement on the screen?! I'm not going to buy a device with that.

That's what most people said about listening to music interlaced with advertisements.
Guess what, one of the most used apps everywhere today is ... Spotify!

The comparison isn't off.
You compared the WDTV with the Popbox, at the same price level, which means the Popbox will have more features for free, but with adverts. Just like Spotify is free music, with adverts.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: gregvolt on February 27, 2010, 04:43:59 AM
well after watching a spinning circle for weeks on my WD.. i bought a brite-view cinematube.. menu's are a bit raw (words and very few graphics), but navigable. also, with the WD, i used to have to make a folder on my network drive totally public because the WD couldnt log in. this thing can.  and lastly, it has a goto feature and the remote has a numeric pad to punch in the exact time that you want to go to. i dont see a number pad on the remote for the popbox. im still playing with it but so far so good. also when you fast forward it plays 2 seconds of the video then jumps ahead .. then 2 seconds.. then jumps so you get to see what part youre up to without jumping 4 mins ahead before you can press the play button.

Oh yeah.. no composite video.. only HDMI or AV but it works for me
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: bnz on February 27, 2010, 07:54:14 AM
Just wondering: is everyone here experiencing the MKV slow startup issue or is it only a few. That kind of decides whether i will update my box or not.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: schnoid on February 27, 2010, 02:19:43 PM
Its true that they have absolutely no responsibility to do stuff that's not advertised on the box but the reality of the situation is come march... Popbox... Same price point.. much nicer interface... more functionality.

It also has advertising on the screen, did you notice that? They said they funded 'third party' modules by allowing them to show advertisement on the screen?! I'm not going to buy a device with that.

Yes, not everyone that already has WD TV Live will switch over, but thats not really what they're worried about is it? I go to the store and see WD TV Live with very basic functions and a crappy interface... then I see popbox with an awesome interface and functions like DVD menus, search, and apps... hmm, which one do I choose!?!? You know the answer.

Well I don't think the Live has that crappy an interface, its bit newbie like - but easy to understand, which is also a point if your entire family needs to operate it. But it could be "sexier", so perhaps one of the things they should get working on is 'skinning' there are a ton of people out there with digital pens at the ready.  A lot of people seem to like the ability to have movie info, flashy graphics etc.



I admit I'm not too familiar with the advertisements but if it as you say, then yea that would be pretty bad. The way I see it is when the popbox is released, the ads will be hacked out within days and if not Boxee box sounds like a really good though slightly more expensive solution. Either way I think it'll be a better solution than using something that is missing so many relatively basic features. You may be ok with the interface, but I think its pretty terrible. Like I've said before though, I give them a lot of credit for the awesome ability to stream 1080p MKV movies. Too bad the one thing they did really awesomely well was broken in the beta. Hopefully they'll fix this and re-release the beta soon.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 27, 2010, 02:45:22 PM
The comparison isn't off.
You compared the WDTV with the Popbox, at the same price level, which means the Popbox will have more features for free, but with adverts. Just like Spotify is free music, with adverts.

Never listened to a second of Spotify :)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 27, 2010, 02:47:27 PM
Just wondering: is everyone here experiencing the MKV slow startup issue or is it only a few. That kind of decides whether i will update my box or not.

As far as I understand its everybody. Its like the live reads the entire file first on a slow connection, in that it is the length of the mkv which determines the delay. A short clip of a few minutes may only take 10 seconds to start, upto several minutes if its a full movie. Somebody reported 20 minutes(!).

This seems to be something which need fixing before it goes live (unless you never use MKVs)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on February 27, 2010, 02:54:43 PM
I admit I'm not too familiar with the advertisements but if it as you say, then yea that would be pretty bad. The way I see it is when the popbox is released, the ads will be hacked out within days and if not Boxee box sounds like a really good though slightly more expensive solution.

Engadget had a look at it, you can check out the clip here. About 2.40 the guy talks about third party advertisement. A bit earlier in the clip you can see a Netflix ad

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/syabas-popbox-hands-on/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/syabas-popbox-hands-on/)


Either way I think it'll be a better solution than using something that is missing so many relatively basic features. You may be ok with the interface, but I think its pretty terrible.


I find it convenient that i can navigate it almost without looking at the screen. Though i would like to see the ability to "skin" folders, ie, put in custom user graphics with information about clips etc.

Like I've said before though, I give them a lot of credit for the awesome ability to stream 1080p MKV movies. Too bad the one thing they did really awesomely well was broken in the beta. Hopefully they'll fix this and re-release the beta soon.

Indeed. But it may be a really small thing, someone forgot a zero or placed a decimal point in the wrong place (if it is throttling speed).

Lets see if there isn't a new beta release in this week.

I tend to agree with the notion that WD should hurry up with some extra features if they want to take up with fight with some of the new boxes - some eye candy probably wouldn't hurt (as long as they don't kill the ease of the old interface)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Armand on February 27, 2010, 05:48:04 PM
It also has advertising on the screen, did you notice that?
Only during selection, not during play, and so do 90% of current cable guides, not to mention browser windows.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: colbertnotion on February 27, 2010, 09:33:48 PM
Only during selection, not during play, and so do 90% of current cable guides, not to mention browser windows.

It seems like you're saying that as if "it's okay!" when it isn't.  Forced viewing of advertising is W-R-O-N-G.  I've NEVER been influenced to buy something based on seeing an advert for it, EVER.  In fact forced advertising only makes me angry to the point of swearing I'll never buy the object of the advert just because they irritated me.  If there's something I want, I'll research on my own terms to find out about what is and isn't available, I don't need someone else telling me what I should think is cool like my life will be less enjoyable if I don't have it.  Of course, on the other hand - people skipping through adverts and commercials (like TIVO'ers) are the main reason why I can't watch a network show without "screen vomit" all over the show in progress (i.e. - ads for new shows coming up next, station ID's, etc..).  So, it's CATCH-22, damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Armand on March 02, 2010, 06:58:43 AM
It seems like you're saying that as if "it's okay!" when it isn't. 
Not a question of it being ok, but rather it being common. The older you are the less you like it, but it is common on web streaming, cable guides etc.

It is not as if you are seeing any advertising on the actual program. it is just on the guide section.
For people used to xbox iterface, abc/nbc/cbs.com, hulu, or comcast this is thing new.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: kiccolsd on March 02, 2010, 07:04:30 PM
It's strange but testing this beta i cannot experiment mkv streaming bug... it works fine for me even with 8\10Gb files  ;D
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on March 02, 2010, 07:53:55 PM
It's strange but testing this beta i cannot experiment mkv streaming bug... it works fine for me even with 8\10Gb files  ;D

Via network share?
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: marciton on March 05, 2010, 09:47:36 AM
so when a new beta that fix the mkv issue ?
It'd help to have more testers ...
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on March 07, 2010, 10:58:30 AM
I am waiting to see if B-Rad will find the hidden treasures in this release  :D

Long time passing Scott - go go go new version :)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on March 07, 2010, 11:07:27 AM
Hi Whoheart,

Can you confirm the "Pending" fix for "Correct Colour Matrix use (BT.709) on unflagged HD material" is NOT in this beta firmware!

I guess I'll have to wait a bit longer :-)

Nice to see beta's becoming available, Keep it coming WD!

Well, SiegeX linked to this file:
http://www.cypheros.de/files/Testbild_colour_description_alternating_120sec.ts (http://www.cypheros.de/files/Testbild_colour_description_alternating_120sec.ts)

And if that is indeed an example of your problem then that IS fixed in this prerelease.

The video flashes colors in the latest release version of the firmware - but in the prerelease the colors are steady and do not flash.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Ron[NL] on March 07, 2010, 01:31:46 PM
And if that is indeed an example of your problem then that IS fixed in this prerelease.

The video flashes colors in the latest release version of the firmware - but in the prerelease the colors are steady and do not flash.

Good to see/hear WD fixed it for the Live. Let's wait now for them to fix it for the WDTV gen1; shouldn't be to difficult  ;)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on March 07, 2010, 05:33:28 PM
Well Ron, they claim they haven't stopped updating the old one - so perhaps you are lucky :)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: pitokhato on March 09, 2010, 03:46:38 PM
Just curious.  Are we expecting another Beta or Final FW upgrade? And of course When?

Thanks
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: alkatraz on March 09, 2010, 06:50:04 PM
Hmmm I downloaded the 1.02.14 firmware in hopes it would fix some audio sync issues with HD MKV files via network shares in windows 7 x64.

I installed it ok, but then I couldn't play Bluray MKV files at all.. the loading img just sad there and spun and spun for minutes...

Now I'm reverting to 1.01.24, fingers crossed I can get others to work.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: dribbller1 on March 09, 2010, 09:21:57 PM
Hmmm I downloaded the 1.02.14 firmware in hopes it would fix some audio sync issues with HD MKV files via network shares in windows 7 x64.

I installed it ok, but then I couldn't play Bluray MKV files at all.. the loading img just sad there and spun and spun for minutes...

Now I'm reverting to 1.01.24, fingers crossed I can get others to work.

The mkv issue is known....... if you wait it should eventually play.

Sometimes when I play an MKV file the indicator spins for a while then the screen will go black for 3 to 4 minutes depending on the length of the movie... the longer the movie the longer the black screen before it plays.... sometimes I dont get the indicator at all but always get the black screen.... many people have reported this bug and im sure it will be fixed in the next official firmware release.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on March 10, 2010, 11:34:30 AM
Just curious.  Are we expecting another Beta or Final FW upgrade? And of course When?

Thanks


True to form they haven't told us anything. Your guess is as good as ours.
I am guessing that they'll release the fixed version in about a month. Then 2 months after that a new prerelease, and a finished version of that around December. And then they'll probably announce a new WDTV version - and hope we'll all buy that.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Tobber on March 10, 2010, 01:09:13 PM
Quote
True to form they haven't told us anything. Your guess is as good as ours.
I am guessing that they'll release the fixed version in about a month. Then 2 months after that a new prerelease, and a finished version of that around December. And then they'll probably announce a new WDTV version - and hope we'll all buy that.

This doesn't sound that optimistic like your last posts... but you're right. We are told that BIG things are coming with the new release. They release it, it introduces just another big bug, doesn't fix that many old ones and then we don't hear anything anymore...
WD just misses this great opportunity they created when they released the WDTV. Big and enthusiastic community and in the beginning they showed a lot of good will. But as of late... it just looks to me as if their hands were tied. Hopefully that's not the case and they'll release some real updates really soon...!
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: pitokhato on March 10, 2010, 03:14:40 PM
I remember having read here in this forum that we hope to get 1 fw update everymonth giving more and more functionality.  So it looks like that WDTV is meeting this expectation by offering us 1 fw update every year instead of every month.  Hey, close enough!!!  ;D

Sounds sarcastic - Sorry. :-X
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: marciton on March 11, 2010, 04:08:05 AM
I don't understand why somebody from WD don't give us an estimation , it'll avoid flooding the forum.
something like : plan to have a new beta in 2 weeks , next update in 1 week. so after everybody know and wait the next week.

or better something like : "we found the mkv bug, it's fixed we'll realease a new beta  in 2 weeks , next update in 1 week"

 :)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: d3vil on March 11, 2010, 08:34:25 AM
Maybe they think that its better to post junk messages in twitter than actual important info like that  ::)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: schnoid on March 11, 2010, 04:37:41 PM
yea, this is sad... It really seemed like WD was going to start taking an active roll in these forums and keep us up to date. So far we've gotten one broken beta, a few comments, and false hope. Can't wait for that Popbox to come out!!!
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: III on March 11, 2010, 09:18:41 PM
yea, this is sad... It really seemed like WD was going to start taking an active roll in these forums and keep us up to date. So far we've gotten one broken beta, a few comments, and false hope. Can't wait for that Popbox to come out!!!

i'm a pretty damn patient person, but man this is not very good CS from WD.... i'm almost compelled to say to myself, "what do they care, they already got our money..." but then another part of me just thinks that they're going to release another FW update that blows all our worries away...or at least eliminates 75% of the problems and glitches they have in the Live. I mean, given the amount of time its been, they should have something really damn nice going by now....

Unfortunately, the popbox release date has gotten pushed back now... so WD has a tad more time to release something pivotal in the FW area before i start writing the not so nice reviews on the Live...well at least the support for the Live by the folks over at WD.....

Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: schnoid on March 12, 2010, 12:14:27 AM
yea, this is sad... It really seemed like WD was going to start taking an active roll in these forums and keep us up to date. So far we've gotten one broken beta, a few comments, and false hope. Can't wait for that Popbox to come out!!!

i'm a pretty damn patient person, but man this is not very good CS from WD.... i'm almost compelled to say to myself, "what do they care, they already got our money..." but then another part of me just thinks that they're going to release another FW update that blows all our worries away...or at least eliminates 75% of the problems and glitches they have in the Live. I mean, given the amount of time its been, they should have something really damn nice going by now....

Unfortunately, the popbox release date has gotten pushed back now... so WD has a tad more time to release something pivotal in the FW area before i start writing the not so nice reviews on the Live...well at least the support for the Live by the folks over at WD.....



yea, i just saw that about popbox today. WD must be counting their blessings.  :(  If boxee box has as good MKV x264 streaming capability I'll probably end up getting that.

Unfortunately I'm not as optimistic about expecting something amazing from them. It took WD at least 3-4 months just to fix a few basic bugs, release an update that makes sure future updates don't brick boxes, and "fix" youtube so it plays LESS content. Then after all those months of doing almost nothing, they released a beta that did more of nothing and ended up breaking the main functionality I use WD TV Live for. I don't fault WD for bugs in a beta release by any means, and greatly appreciate the opportunity to beta test, but I'm kinda surprised someone felt that beta release would be even remotely worthy of sharing. I do look forward to Windows 7 support, so hopefully they fix that major bug and re-release it soon. New functionality would be really nice, but those "surprises" that were mentioned over a month ago are not wowing me by any means.

Its true WD already has my money.. but i'm sure as heck not helping them sell anymore if they don't make an effort. Everyone I know comes to me for tech/electronics advice, and if a product impresses me, they'll likely have at least 10-20 new customers based on my recommendation. I've been telling everyone to hold off for a few months and see what happens and they are. If WD suddenly wakes up and revamps their software then maybe I'll recommend them.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: d3vil on March 12, 2010, 02:12:38 AM
They should just focus in the basics - playing videos, and doing it well...That means fixing the OOS bug in digital output and AC3 files. Other than that, its just bonus..something like using remote to advance/back in the file would also be nice, but i'm not even complaining about that.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: pitokhato on March 12, 2010, 03:44:03 AM
Given below are my 3 probability questions and my own answers.

Q1: What is the probability that WD officials will post/give some kind of "Status Update on FW upgrade" in next 3 to 5 days in this forum?
A1: 100%
My satisfaction level: I will be more than happy!

Q2: What is the probability that WD will release another Beta in next 3 to 5 days?
A2: 75%
My satisfaction level: I will be happy!

Q3; What is the probability that WD TV will release official Final FW upgrade in next 3 to 5 days?
A3: Part 1: 50% with majority of bugs fixed with hardly any new features
A3: Part 2: 10% with majority bugs fixed and some new features
A3: Part 3: 0% with ALL bugs fixed and some new Features with no additional bugs.
My satisfaction level: I don't want raise my hopes!

If all of my probability answers are wrong in other words even my 1st answer is wrong than my satisfaction level about WD's Customer service is "Yes, you guessed it right"

Thanks for reading

Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: lilibabe on March 12, 2010, 06:53:35 AM
ScottWD

Hi pitokhato,

We are always listening to our customers.

I'm pleased to announce to you and other users that a new release stamped '1.04.00' will be available tomorrow.

Almost all the bugs identified were corrected and there will be extra features like YouPorn support, html support, moviesheets,...

 :D
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: NicuB on March 12, 2010, 08:02:36 AM
ScottWD

Hi pitokhato,

We are always listening to our customers.

I'm pleased to announce to you and other users that a new release stamped '1.04.00' will be available tomorrow.

Almost all the bugs identified were corrected and there will be extra features like YouPorn support, html support, moviesheets,...

 :D

Can`t wait !
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: d3vil on March 12, 2010, 08:22:11 AM
Better be careful what u write, not everyone understands irony  ::)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: marciton on March 12, 2010, 08:29:48 AM
ScottWD

Hi pitokhato,

We are always listening to our customers.

I'm pleased to announce to you and other users that a new release stamped '1.04.00' will be available tomorrow.

Almost all the bugs identified were corrected and there will be extra features like YouPorn support, html support, moviesheets,...

 :D

mdr  :D
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: pitokhato on March 12, 2010, 08:55:31 AM
ScottWD

Hi pitokhato,

We are always listening to our customers.

I'm pleased to announce to you and other users that a new release stamped '1.04.00' will be available tomorrow.

Almost all the bugs identified were corrected and there will be extra features like YouPorn support, html support, moviesheets,...

 :D

Thank you very much.  I really appreciate the status update on FW upgrade.  I am pretty sure lots of other users will share same appreciation.  Once again my sincere, genuine, honest, earnest and heartfelt thanks to you and all your team.

Eagerly looking forward to see some great new stuff.

and again one more time thanks :)

 :)  :)  :)


 
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: d3vil on March 12, 2010, 09:03:09 AM
omfg..
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: schnoid on March 12, 2010, 10:26:31 AM
LoL... obviously some people don't realize that Lilibabe isn't a WD employee and the fact that YouPorn was mentioned should be a huge red flag  :-P  I got a kick out of your post though.  :)   

Overall I do agree with d3vil though that basic functionality should be #1 priority. I'm starting to feel like search and DVD/bluray menus should be considered basic functionality, but as a close second in priority to the ability to stream everything flawlessly.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by using the remote to advance forward/back on the file because I'm pretty sure that what you're asking for is there. If you press fast forward and then press the "next file" button it'll skip ahead and back 10 minutes for every time you press it. I think that part works very well and I have no complaints about it.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: frankie-boy on March 12, 2010, 10:37:30 AM
If it is a joke, I don't think it's apropriate, because I don't think a Hero Member should make jokes like this when a lot of people are really looking forward to the official release.

And I would realy realy realy like the Youporn feature.....  :o :-\ :-X :-[ :'(

;D
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: schnoid on March 12, 2010, 10:49:51 AM
If it is a joke, I don't think it's apropriate, because I don't think a Hero Member should make jokes like this when a lot of people are really looking forward to the official release.

And I would realy realy realy like the Youporn feature.....  :o :-\ :-X :-[ :'(

;D

sorry to tell u, but I think u're going to be waiting a VERY long time for that youporn feature.  :-P  And I thought the joke was funny. People need a sense of humor.  :)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: vango44 on March 12, 2010, 11:10:08 AM
Well, it should have been pretty clear that it was just a joke. (maybe lilibabe is warming up for April 1st ?)  ;D

But seriously, the Youpxxn feature mentioned is already available if you use the custom firmware and the Playon server running from a PC.

There's actually quite a lot of extras available for the WDTV if you look hard enough.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: frankie-boy on March 12, 2010, 11:13:53 AM
If it is a joke, I don't think it's apropriate, because I don't think a Hero Member should make jokes like this when a lot of people are really looking forward to the official release.

And I would realy realy realy like the Youporn feature.....  :o :-\ :-X :-[ :'(

;D

sorry to tell u, but I think u're going to be waiting a VERY long time for that youporn feature.  :-P  And I thought the joke was funny. People need a sense of humor.  :)

Very very very true. I like'd the joke myself :D. But somehow I see a lot of frustration in some messages from some people and I think those people already lost their sense of humor on this subject....
There could be a reason for their frustration and maybe youporn was the answer so the were made happier then we can imagine...  ;)

The only reason I'm really looking forward for the official fw is that b-rad will include it in his version. Right now I really miss his features, but I like the beta more :)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: discopig on March 12, 2010, 12:53:33 PM
I thought it was funny. Very funny.

See, the tip off for me wasn't the YouPorn feature, that seemed pretty reasonable. For me it was

Quote
Almost all the bugs identified were corrected

that was suspicious. I'd be surprised if any of the bugs were corrected. </cynicism>

Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: jayallan on March 12, 2010, 01:45:09 PM
I have been waiting a long time for that YouPorn support!  :D
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: d3vil on March 12, 2010, 02:31:16 PM
I know about the fast forward and jump 10 minutes, but with other players such as old dvd/divx players there was an option to jump in less time periods just by pressing the right key, such as 10/30seconds
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: III on March 12, 2010, 08:08:51 PM
i think i'll lay it down for you guys, oh..you'll GET the youporn feature...

but just not in HD....sorry fellas... ::)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: jade on March 14, 2010, 06:43:07 AM
dose any one have a working link for this or a copy of this beta that they can send me please, seeing as the update is never comeing i guess I'll settle for the beta. The torrent one seemed like just an empty zip file.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: vango44 on March 14, 2010, 07:52:17 AM
dose any one have a working link for this or a copy of this beta that they can send me please, seeing as the update is never comeing i guess I'll settle for the beta. The torrent one seemed like just an empty zip file.

jade, do you need to play mkv files from network shares/server?

It's broken with the beta(takes up to several minutes to start playing)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: jade on March 14, 2010, 08:35:06 AM
No I'm not using it for that, in fact at the current time I'm not using the live part of my wd tv at all....i just want the latest update, i may just go through the b rad update.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: vango44 on March 14, 2010, 09:25:46 AM
If you go to the thread below and scroll to near the bottom of the first post, there's a link that says "mirror of all releases".
You can find what you're looking for in there.

http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=4938.0 (http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=4938.0)
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on March 14, 2010, 11:00:59 AM
No I'm not using it for that, in fact at the current time I'm not using the live part of my wd tv at all....i just want the latest update, i may just go through the b rad update.

You can download the latest update from their website or use the internal updater.

There was a buggy beta which is not the latest update.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: ITService on March 14, 2010, 12:24:17 PM
pre-release firmware  wdtvlive_1_02_14.zip in :
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/2028...-02-14-zip.html (http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/2028...-02-14-zip.html)
or
http://rapidshare.com/files/360083417/wdtvlive_1_02_14.zip (http://rapidshare.com/files/360083417/wdtvlive_1_02_14.zip)

For me, it's working until now (2 weeks). No bug, nothing wrong, at least for what I'm using for.
Enjoy.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: PARTyZAN on March 15, 2010, 02:54:59 PM
Great features and all but ... how about giving us HD YouTube back, since you silently removed it in current release?
Title: Latest Update on FW Upgrade
Post by: pitokhato on March 15, 2010, 07:51:52 PM
Here is the latest update:

How do you define "Coming soon": Please ask ScottWD or his Colleagues

 :(       ???       ;D     >:(       :o     :-[     :'(
Title: Re: Latest Update on FW Upgrade
Post by: schnoid on March 15, 2010, 10:19:32 PM
Here is the latest update:
  • Final Upgrade (Not Beta); coming soon
  • Beta with MKV issue fixed: Coming soon
  • Status Update from WD Team: Coming soon

How do you define "Coming soon": Please ask ScottWD or his Colleagues

 :(       ???       ;D     >:(       :o     :-[     :'(


yea, sad isn't it? I honestly think it would've been better if WD never even made the effort to get us involved. They were really on the right track and the BAM! EPIC FAIL! again... If WD at least kept us in the loop, people would be a lot more understanding. Lets hope tomorrow is a good news day....
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Whoheart on March 16, 2010, 12:23:38 AM
Great features and all but ... how about giving us HD YouTube back, since you silently removed it in current release?

Not going to happen, its a license thing.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: jade on March 16, 2010, 07:30:55 AM
So when do we start a protest thread so they will listen and we can finally get the next fw update!!
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: schnoid on March 16, 2010, 08:43:59 AM
So when do we start a protest thread so they will listen and we can finally get the next fw update!!

Pretty sure this IS the protest thread. I don't really fault Scott or any of the other WD employees on this thread for the issues. I fault WD the company because they decided to enter a business area where they really don't care if they make it or not. Hard drives are WD's bread and butter and that probably won't change any time soon. Hopefully someone over there at the WD TV group will have the balls to stand up to corporate and say "Hey, we potentially have a winning product here! Lets put a few extra people on this and make some REAL money!" Until that happens, I think its a lost cause.  :( 
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: jade on March 16, 2010, 05:03:01 PM
Ok so i guess the next question is how do we turn our complaints up to 11? should we all return our wd tv lives at once? maybe start a nation wide return until they yield? Any ideas?
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: jayallan on March 16, 2010, 06:09:11 PM
Ok so i guess the next question is how do we turn our complaints up to 11? should we all return our wd tv lives at once? maybe start a nation wide return until they yield? Any ideas?

The complaints end now.  WD was KIND ENOUGH to put up this beta release for some people to try.  All the complaints will do is END their involvement in helping the mod community and END their dialog with the end users.  This update specifically stated that is was a beta primarily for users of Win 7 and users of specific previously unsupported wireless dongles. 

Most everyone who uses the WDTV Live is very happy with it.  But a few vocal detractors whining will only drive WD away.  Do you see what whining endlessly about DVD menu support succeeded in? NOTHING.  Because WD is doing EVERYTHING that they can do, within reason, to provide a better product. 

If you don't have a CONSTRUCTIVE input then please leave. 


Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: pitokhato on March 17, 2010, 03:37:17 AM
Expecting a good customer service is not whining, not in Western World for sure.  Forget about giving us regular FW upgrade, all we are expecting for now is 1 or 2 line status update from WD officials as to what's happenning with FW upgrade.  One positive response from WD will bring lots of Constructive comments.  For whatever reason if they can not release next upgrade for next month or two or even a year, for God's shake, please tell us so.  Now is this a constructive comment?  It depends how you read it.

Thanks


Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: marciton on March 17, 2010, 05:48:13 AM
Ok so i guess the next question is how do we turn our complaints up to 11? should we all return our wd tv lives at once? maybe start a nation wide return until they yield? Any ideas?

The complaints end now.  WD was KIND ENOUGH to put up this beta release for some people to try.  All the complaints will do is END their involvement in helping the mod community and END their dialog with the end users.  This update specifically stated that is was a beta primarily for users of Win 7 and users of specific previously unsupported wireless dongles. 

Most everyone who uses the WDTV Live is very happy with it.  But a few vocal detractors whining will only drive WD away.  Do you see what whining endlessly about DVD menu support succeeded in? NOTHING.  Because WD is doing EVERYTHING that they can do, within reason, to provide a better product. 

If you don't have a CONSTRUCTIVE input then please leave. 


I'm agree with you , but a lot of people are frustrated to don't have any feedback.
I think here a lot of people are agree to test beta and do some reports , but WD don't give any answer and it's create annoying complain ...
I think that the mkv bug block a lot of people to test more the beta.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: jade on March 17, 2010, 09:01:13 AM
@ jayallan. First off where do you get off telling us we are not allowed to vent our frustraions with this product? Maybe your another wd lackey? I paid hard earned money for a product and i expect it to work and to work to my standards. If wd isn t capable or not intrested there is a whole world of hackers and coder who are as already proven. I m just trying to get wd to own up and accept there responability to there consumers before we migrate enmass to b rad or some one else. Also and i want you to think about this not includeing the beta version when was the last fw they sent us? 3 months ago 6? Seriously own up and fix the fw and post it already or watch as a whole group of people bad mouth what could of been a amazing product.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: Armand on March 17, 2010, 09:42:03 AM
  Do you see what whining endlessly about DVD menu support succeeded in? NOTHING. 

That is absurd and false on its face. What it lead to was a thread on their own site showing that this was by far the most acute flaw from the user perspective.

I spoke with WD top tier support last week and they indicated that it was specifically the level of consumer complaint on this that is has put this issue on the front burner. They didn't even know it was an issue, never mind a key problem, until they got a massive nubmer of complaints.

BTW everything you heard about licensing for menus being the obstacle is wrong according to the WD person I spoke with -- and that is the reason why WD never has said that is the problem.

What I heard directly is they are "behind by three months on firmware"  and it is specifically complaints voiced by users that are driving their priorities on what is and is not being done with firmware. I am sure Scott can confirm this, and at the least not deny it since I know I spoke with someone higher up on the team.
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: jayallan on March 17, 2010, 11:28:15 AM
Expecting a good customer service is not whining, not in Western World for sure.  Forget about giving us regular FW upgrade, all we are expecting for now is 1 or 2 line status update from WD officials as to what's happenning with FW upgrade.  One positive response from WD will bring lots of Constructive comments.  For whatever reason if they can not release next upgrade for next month or two or even a year, for God's shake, please tell us so.  Now is this a constructive comment?  It depends how you read it.

Thanks


I agree with you and I welcome any discussion on ways to improve this product for us end users.  What I don't approve of is direct bashing of individuals at WD who are trying to help us.   "Turning up our complaints to 11" will just cause WD to go silent. 
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: jayallan on March 17, 2010, 11:34:50 AM
@ jayallan. First off where do you get off telling us we are not allowed to vent our frustraions with this product? Maybe your another wd lackey? I paid hard earned money for a product and i expect it to work and to work to my standards. If wd isn t capable or not intrested there is a whole world of hackers and coder who are as already proven. I m just trying to get wd to own up and accept there responability to there consumers before we migrate enmass to b rad or some one else. Also and i want you to think about this not includeing the beta version when was the last fw they sent us? 3 months ago 6? Seriously own up and fix the fw and post it already or watch as a whole group of people bad mouth what could of been a amazing product.

First off, I can tell you anything I like as this is my house.  And you come here calling me a "lackey"? Then you try to stage some sort of revolt?  And you are all going to leave en mass?  I set up this site to help people, and bring information to all the WDTV users.  This site has done more to help WDTV users than all other sites combined. 

You don't like the way I run my site then go away.  My house, my rules. You crossed the line so this is your only warning. 
Title: Re: WD TV Live Beta release 1.02.14 - limited time only!
Post by: frankie-boy on March 18, 2010, 12:12:39 AM
Ok so i guess the next question is how do we turn our complaints up to 11? should we all return our wd tv lives at once? maybe start a nation wide return until they yield? Any ideas?

The complaints end now.  WD was KIND ENOUGH to put up this beta release for some people to try.  All the complaints will do is END their involvement in helping the mod community and END their dialog with the end users.  This update specifically stated that is was a beta primarily for users of Win 7 and users of specific previously unsupported wireless dongles. 

Most everyone who uses the WDTV Live is very happy with it.  But a few vocal detractors whining will only drive WD away.  Do you see what whining endlessly about DVD menu support succeeded in? NOTHING.  Because WD is doing EVERYTHING that they can do, within reason, to provide a better product. 

If you don't have a CONSTRUCTIVE input then please leave. 

hear hear