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Title: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: jayallan on April 06, 2009, 02:37:48 PM
One of the projects I have always wanted to do is convert all my TV show box sets to a media server.  With the WDTV that is now a reality. 

My first project is the complete Star Trek: Deep Space Nine series.  (Yes I am a geek) It is seven seasons of 24 episodes.  All an hour long. Each season is 7 DVDs.

Because the WDTV does not support DVD menus I wanted to save each episode as a separate file. 

I also wanted to keep the 5.1 surround and the quality had to be at least 90% as good as the DVD.


Here is how I did it.

Using DVDfab http://www.dvdfab.com/dvd-fab-platinum.htm (http://www.dvdfab.com/dvd-fab-platinum.htm) I scanned each disk and identified the chapters that contained episodes. 

They are the 4 chapters that are 43 minutes long.   Then using VOB/passthrough I saved each episode as a single vob file.  IE DS9.So1Eo1.vob

Now I had 4 individual files that are full size, full rez episodes.   These will play on the WDTV and give you 100% the same quality as the original DVD.

These files however are 1.8 GB or so each!

So next I used Auto GK http://www.autogk.me.uk/ (http://www.autogk.me.uk/)   which is an amazing program and is FREE.   

I batch processed each vob into and XviD AVI file using the 700 MB setting.  In advanced settings I also selected the AUTO WIDTH and ORIGINAL AC3 AUDIO TYPE.

You can load dozens of files into the que and just let it run overnight or while you are at work. 

Many people put an hour show at 350 mb and are perfectly happy with the results. I prefer the 700 mb image quality as it is very very close to the original dvd. 

Give it a try.   :)



Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: schlotz on April 06, 2009, 05:59:58 PM
Jay, looking at my dvdFab platinum in the dvd to dvd section I see full, Main, Split, Customize etc...  Where are you locating  vob/passthrough ?

Matt
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: schlotz on April 06, 2009, 06:26:40 PM
Ok, finally found it.  Will run a test to verify speed vs. saving to an iso file.   

Matt
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: Techflaws on April 07, 2009, 12:35:42 AM
Just in case you didn't know, you can also write a batch file for DVDFab which speeds up ripping the eps quite a bit.
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: jayallan on April 07, 2009, 12:45:32 AM
Thanks TechFlaws,

I was not happy with the de-interlacing that I got when converting with the DVDfab.  I found the quality was a lot better when making XviD files with the Auto GK.  That's why I ended up splitting it into two steps.  However, like any video conversion I suggest everybody compare for themselves as it is so subjective. 
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: 3dxr on April 07, 2009, 02:42:37 AM
if you need speed conversion Xvid
if you need spare space and long time encoding isnt issue use x264 video codec or CoreAVC H264 + GPU acceleration

I backed up my home party DVD 1 rip was 4.3gb encoding time 7hours on 1x CPU 1.6ghz with Avidemux + low priority + working on
pc
fist attempt 2.2GB quatitizer =18 (avr)
second  780mb quantitizer  26 (avr)
third 1.3GB q = 22 avr (good quality AC3 sound)

Free: Mediacoder http://mediacoder.sourceforge.net/
Free: Avidemux - simple but with advanced options
Free: VirtualDubMod - only Win32 Avidemux is multiplatform successor
Commercial:Extra Video Converter - nice simple qui for begginers
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: RockStarInLife on April 07, 2009, 02:25:22 PM
Hey Jayallan quick question.

I used clonedvd to create the one VOB file and then tried to use autogk using the setting you mentioned. But after I put it in the que and pressed start, I left it running overnight and it wasnt finished still? no statues or progress bar? Did I miss a step? Thanks brother.


settings I used

" So next I used Auto GK http://www.autogk.me.uk/   

I batch processed each vob into and XviD AVI file using the 700 MB setting.  In advanced settings I also selected the AUTO WIDTH and ORIGINAL AC3 AUDIO TYPE."
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: jayallan on April 07, 2009, 03:07:59 PM
In AutoGK after you fill the right box with your tasks, hit start and you will see the Log Window giving you status updates as it works.   

Try one 1 hr VOB first by itself.   My Quad Core system takes 49 minutes to do a 46 minute show.   
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: RockStarInLife on April 07, 2009, 05:19:31 PM
cool thanks brother. I will try that now.
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: RockStarInLife on April 07, 2009, 08:15:31 PM
I see the progress bar now. I didnt notice extra page until I looked on the bottom of the (I dont know what you call it?) button on bottom of screen? I was trying to convert a 109min movie "Sex Drive" and it was only at 48% after 2.5 hours. Theres gotta be a better way.

I have the following programs: (I am not an expert on these but know how to use them pretty good)

1 click dvd by LG (will just copy dvd or burn to drive)

CloneDVD Mobile by SlySoft (which will do everything from Divx/Xvid, VOB passthrough, mpeg4, etc. has alot of pre-sets for apple tv and ps3 etc too).

AnyDVD by Slysoft (Mainly just rips lossless to harddrive to multiple VOB files)

I also downloaded MergeVOB

MetaX

AutoGK

So I have no shortage of programs to chose from. Its just getting the right settings.

My main thing is I want forced subs, and 90% quality of dvd and close to 1 gig per a movie. Any other suggestions? Thanks.

Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: RockStarInLife on April 13, 2009, 10:37:08 AM
Thanks again Jayallan, I am now converting my dvd's to 1 VOB file using CloneDvd mobile and then using AutoGK to convert to Xvid at 700mb an hour and they turned out awesome! I appreciate the help and loving the WD even more now!

Quick question on the AutoGK: Do you set it according to how long the movie is yourself? or do you chose a setting that does it automatically like at 80% quality etc to reach the 700mb per an hour? right now I am figuring a movie that is 2 hours I just set it at 1.4gigs myself and wasnt sure if there was an easier way.
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: jayallan on April 13, 2009, 12:28:39 PM
For TV shows I set it to a fixed 700mb (hour show) For movies I just set it to around 80% quality.   
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: RockStarInLife on April 13, 2009, 03:27:46 PM
cool thanks for that. I have been just guestamating 700MB per an hour movie but 80% sounds easier. Thanks brother.
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: uosjopop on April 22, 2009, 02:45:16 PM
Hi Jay
You are reading my mind! I just decided to do the same thing with my West Wing boxed set. I am on a Mac and am having trouble finding "easy" instructions for this somewhat newbie. I have MacTheRipper, Toast 9, and Handbrake but can not figure it all out. Can you guide me to any Mac compatible instructions? Thanks.

John
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: jayallan on April 23, 2009, 05:36:05 PM
Hi,

I have no Mac experience.  I recommend starting a new thread for mac software tools.   

It would likely help out a lot of people. 
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: Chip on April 27, 2009, 10:39:16 PM
Just noticed this thread and thought I'd chime in with an easier alternative.  You only need two (completely free) programs: DVD Decrypter (http://www.dvddecrypter.org.uk/) to rip the disc to your hard drive, and Handbrake (http://handbrake.fr) to encode it.  Both programs are as simple as can be.  Handbrake supports Xvid or h.264 video and AAC, AC3 or MP3 audio in a variety of containers.  It will do multiple audio tracks (stereo downmix or 5.1), hard subs (forced or all), and it will keep chapter breaks in MKV files.  You can set encode quality by bitrate, quality %, or desired file size.

It's fast too.  I do 2-pass encodes of 90 min movies in about 30 min (xvid/mp3).

I've been ripping and encoding DVDs since it required half a dozen different programs to accomplish, and Handbrake is far and away the best program out there.
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: jayallan on April 28, 2009, 01:13:58 AM
Thanks Chip,

I have Handbrake and I will have to revisit it.  I think I abandoned it because it was not able to determine the individual episodes in a tv multi show disk. 

I have been a HUGE fan of DVD Decrypter for years, however since they were shut down in 2005 it has not kept up with all the current copy protection schemes. 

DVDfab can decrypt any dvd and will also detect episodes (not chapters) on a dvd and has the ability to branch them out into separate VOBs. 

I will check out Handbrake again though as I may not be familiar with all its functions! 

Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: Chip on April 28, 2009, 10:47:44 AM
Handbrake has undergone some significant improvements in the last year, so I would definitely recommend you give it another look.  In addition to chapters, it allows you to select individual "titles" for encoding.  TV episodes on DVD are always (at least in my experience) separate titles on the disc, so it is easy to encode an episode at a time.  I ripped the first 3 seasons of MASH this way and it worked great.
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: jayallan on April 28, 2009, 11:15:02 AM
Chip,

That's good to hear.  I will experiment with it tonight for sure.   Have you tried making MKVs with your standard def material?  Everyone seems to use XviD (including me) but since MKVs are a newer format and h.264 is a newer compression codec it seems the quality might be better at the same file size?  Damn, don't you love all these free tools!
 
:)
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: Chip on April 28, 2009, 05:55:59 PM
Though the WDTV handles h.264 just fine, I still use an original (modded) Xbox to play back video on one of my TVs, and that doesn't do h.264.  I also have a couple portable devices that will do Xvid but struggle with h.264, so I keep using what works with everything  :)

Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: buzzqw on April 29, 2009, 10:59:52 AM
just a little advice, startrek ntsc versione are know for very bad decimation on combed frames...
i don't know if handbrake is able to handle correctly it..

BHH
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: jayallan on April 29, 2009, 11:28:11 AM
Hey Buzzqw,

I finished the Trek episodes in XviD via the AutoGK and you are right about the combed frames.  I think AutoGK was the best way.  I am now ripping my Rome Box Sets to my WDTV and I am using Handbrake to convert them into MKVs.  They are much better transfers (the dvds) so I think for these Handbrake is the way to go. 
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: buzzqw on April 29, 2009, 11:03:14 PM
yep, good luck :)

i love live in PAL land (Italy).. no IVTC .. just deinterlcing :p

BHH
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: Chip on May 01, 2009, 02:23:30 PM
Handbrake does have a decomb filter that works wonderfully.  It slows down encoding to about half normal speed, but for older interlaced TV shows, it is well worth it.
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: netsrac on November 16, 2009, 06:05:18 PM
Hey it pays to search the threads, I have been looking for a free program to convert my dvd's.

I just downloaded HandBrake and it seems to work well on WDTV, but when I playback on my puter, about 1/2" of the left side of the screen plays on the right side.  Not too much of a bother as it plays well on my TV.

Now for those who use HandBrake, maybe you can help me with the settings.

I use the default for Film, and James Bond - For Your Eyes Only took 2 hrs

It looks great sounds great, the file size is 2 gig.

Is this the best setting, as I want AC3 5.1 or DTS depending on the movies, and I do not want to see artifacts on my 55" tv.

Thanks
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: twisty on November 16, 2009, 07:30:35 PM
Now for those who use HandBrake, maybe you can help me with the settings.

I use the default for Film, and James Bond - For Your Eyes Only took 2 hrs

It looks great sounds great, the file size is 2 gig.

Is this the best setting, as I want AC3 5.1 or DTS depending on the movies, and I do not want to see artifacts on my 55" tv.

G'day netsrac,

What version of handbrake are you using? 0.9.3 or svn2907 (pre release of 0.9.4).  The film preset gives you an mkv with x264 compression.  If you want best reproduction then use .iso or original mpeg2 in mkv with something like makemkv.  The files, of course, are 3 times bigger.

Depends on your storage and personal preferences.

Twisty
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: netsrac on November 17, 2009, 04:31:13 AM

G'day netsrac,

What version of handbrake are you using? 0.9.3 or svn2907 (pre release of 0.9.4).  The film preset gives you an mkv with x264 compression.  If you want best reproduction then use .iso or original mpeg2 in mkv with something like makemkv.  The files, of course, are 3 times bigger.

Depends on your storage and personal preferences.

Twisty

Hi Twisty

I am using 0.9.3 of Handbrake

I personally do not want to go over 2 gig per film, as I do not have a 1080p tv yet and all my movies are regular DVD's

Sound is important as I have 3 tv's all with surround sound systems hooked up.

As long as I do not get any artifacts while watching these movies, I am fine.

I finally get to use the chapter function, never new what is was before as all my movies are avi files.

But I wish it would convert files faster.

I have over 500 DVD's and would take well over 1000hrs to convert them all
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: jayallan on November 17, 2009, 11:14:07 AM
netscac,

x264 is a much more complex algorithm.  As such it takes longer to run its course.  The final result however is more efficient with space and has a very high quality.  Converting to XviD is a lot faster and the hit you take can either be on the quality side or the size side depending on your preferences. 

After extensive testing, I ended up going with XviD for all my SD sources as the quality is about the same.  I average about 700 megs for an hour show.  That's overkill but it is fast and it gives me the quality I want.  That includes AC3 pass through.  For most shows I also deinterlace, but again it is up to your display if this extra step is even necessary.  Your source is interlaced to begin with. 

If you think two hours is slow try converting a two hour Bluray to MKV!  It takes at least 8 hours (overnight) on my Quad Core running all four processors at full speed. ;)
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: netsrac on November 17, 2009, 12:08:33 PM
Hi jay

Well I just converted Chronicles of Riddick using x264, I will convert it again using Xvid tonight and see if there is any noticeable difference.

If video is good and I still get the ac3 surround then I am happy.

Funny I have one problem that I am sure other people are glad they do not.

The other day they had 50" or 60" lcd/plasma (not sure which) and a BluRay set up at a BestBuy.

They were playing Transformers (latest) and is was so clear that it did not look real (hard to explain), but depths were so clear (3D like) that I was actually getting motion sickness.  (hense I cannot play 1st shooter games)

So True HD 1080p, I don't think I will ever need.

Thanks
Title: Re: How I converted 154 episodes of Star Trek on DVD to my WDTV
Post by: hmdm on December 17, 2009, 01:04:02 PM
Hi,

I have similar needs, lots of seasons I collected on DVD. For example, Friends, 10 seasons, 4 discs each with side A and B. I first copied the DVDs to HDD. Then I used Nero recode to shrink, and can fit about 12 episodes on a 8.5 GB size. Then I use mkvmerge gui to make mkv files from each episode vob file. Then I merge the mkv files into 1 big master file. I then create a custom xml chapter file and add it to the master mkv file. The mkv file can become quite large and initially WDTV can take some time to play the file, e.g. 30 - 60 seconds or more. But then it plays it, and custom chapters work. This way you have 1 album art and 1 file in your library instead of lots of individual files... unless using custom firmware...

I wish it was easy like mymovies plugin with media center... nice database application...